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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixIreland View Post
    Your saying the energy we'd get from that kind of solar plan would not be anywhere near worth the effort or cost?
    I'm not sure if it would ever be worth selling back to the grid (depends on your number of panels I suppose) but as far as I know it is already worth it for heating your water if you are established in a family home - (and surely they would add something to the value of the house should it be sold in a shorter space of time)

    System payback is in the region of 6-7 years
    Panels generate up to 70% of annual hot water requirements for FREE
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    This is a great initiative. Anything that ekes away at the stranglehold on our energy market(s) is a good thing.

    On the solar front, I have always been impressed by one statistic I read about the solar initiative in Freiburg, where they have around 400 buildings with PV that can sell on to the grid. "Freiburg is one of Germany's sunniest areas, with 1800 hours of sunshine a year, but it only receives 1,117 kWh per square meter of solar radiance, which is lower than southwest England, and about the same as most of England and western Scotland."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostexpectation View Post
    no you show us how this wouldn't have happened with out the greens and ryan, or is this another one of these mysterious back room manoeuvres we.re not allowed to know about but you swear its true.
    Show me one other political party that have identified this as a key objective.



    I suggest the any other politician would have been able to do this and keep an eye on what the ******************** is happening in the banks as well ,as cabinet ministers or suppose to.
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    Is Solar energy actually green? Surely solar energy involves capturing energy from the sun that would otherwise be reflected back into space. This must inevitably result in heating up the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by code twinkle View Post
    I'm not sure if it would ever be worth selling back to the grid (depends on your number of panels I suppose) but as far as I know it is already worth it for heating your water if you are established in a family home - (and surely they would add something to the value of the house should it be sold in a shorter space of time)

    System payback is in the region of 6-7 years
    Panels generate up to 70% of annual hot water requirements for FREE
    Interesting....can you get these yourself? Personally? and install them on your roof without them looking like an eye sore?

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    Anaerobic Digestion-The Basics of Biogas

    Definition of Biogas

    A mixture of methane and carbon dioxide, produced by anaerobic digestion of organic waste matter, used as a fuel.

    What Is Anaerobic Digestion (AD)

    Anaerobic digestion is the natural breakdown of organic materials into methane and carbon dioxide gas and fertiliser. This takes place naturally, or in an anaerobic digester. Storage tanks of various sizes and shapes hold the waste material to allow for bacteria to breakdown the waste and produce biogas.

    How Does Biogas get Converted into Energy

    Generally biogas is turned into electrical energy through an internal combustion engine driven generator that produces electrical energy and heat, these units are called combined heat and power (CHP) units.
    The electricity can be used on site, or fed into the public electricity grid, either on or off site, for many different uses. Biogas can also be refined and compressed to meet natural gas standards, and then can have a wide range of uses including a fuel for gas powered Vehicles.

    An AD digester tank will supply enough biogas to feed the CHP on a consistent basis and any safety or spare storage, to allow for an even flow of biogas will be stored either in a Biodome fitted to the top of a digester or on the ground close to the digester.
    Biogas is a side affect of storing sludge etc in storage tanks. This is then collected and stored in biogas holders (Biodomes).

    - Biogas does not compound the greenhouse effect.

    - A clean fuel- produces 80% less hydrocarbon emissions in comparison with diesel.

    - Biogas never runs out (Renewable)- as long as humans and animals exist on the planet, biogas will go on being produced. The supply is unlimited.

    What sort of waste can Supply Anaerobic digestion

    Almost any organic material can be processed with anaerobic digestion. This includes biodegradable waste materials such as:-

    - Waste paper
    - Grass clippings
    - Left over food
    - Sewage
    - Animal waste

    We have the some of our energy solutions all over this country, and unless we get that useless shower of parasites sitting up there in Leinster House out this type of solution including wind and maybe wave energy will be very very slow to take off...we are so many years behind other european countries at this stage its a joke

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    Irish Bioenergy Association - Home
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    Grass-to-energy..

    You may find this link to be of some interest...

    Energy solutions are around us here in Ireland and yet we import close to 90% of our fuel source...are we all stark raving mad here...really is Paddy that gullable...

    http://www.irbea.org/files/Biogas%20...s%20Geveke.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeGaulle 2.0 View Post
    Is Solar energy actually green? Surely solar energy involves capturing energy from the sun that would otherwise be reflected back into space. This must inevitably result in heating up the earth.
    Firstly energy can be used for other things than heat.

    Secondly even if solar energy is used for heating it will substitute for other sources of heat like fossil fuels: it's not a choice between heating your house and not heating it.

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    How much will it cost to install one of these generators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yehbut_nobut View Post
    Nice idea, and I'd like to as well, but it seems from the Website that if your not a Landowner or a Farmer, you might not get much of a look in for the pilot phase. All nicely timed for the locals of course, I wonder which party the lucky 4000 will be supporters of
    Wind turbines don't work so well surrounded by buildings.
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