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    Worst Dáil speech in a long time?

    I was watching the the Motion of Confidence in the Mahon Tribunal online the other night, and I was taken aback at the unbelievably poor speech given by John Gormley- who was taking the lead for the Government on it. He seemed totally half-hearted and under the weather, and left the chamber immediately after drawling off one of the dullest speeches ever given to the Dáil.

    His speech consisted of a thrilling timeline of legislative events since the Tribunal was set up, and then he proceeded to read - word for word - the Explanatory memorandum of the Tribunals of Inquiry Bill 2005, which in Opposition he had opposed to the last.

    Willie O'Dea's speech (which followed immediately) may have been a purile stream of vicious partisan bile, but at least it was cogently written, with many thoughtful reflections on the Tribunal process and the jurisprudence governing it.

    Gormley's speech, on the other hand, gave the impression of a speech that had been written by a member of the Young Greens in on work expierience, aided by nothing but the Irish Statute Book website.

    Here are a few snippets of Gormley's skilled oratory:

    Two Acts from 1998 allowed for the changing of a tribunal’s terms of reference, at the request of the tribunal or following consultation between the tribunal and the Attorney General on behalf of a Minister. Subsequently, in July 1998, at the request of the planning tribunal, its terms of reference were further expanded to give it a mandate to investigate any allegation of corruption associated with the planning process.

    In June 2001, the then sole member of the tribunal, Justice Flood, in anticipation of extensive future public inquiries, requested the appointment of further members to the tribunal. The Government responded to this request by making provision in a 2002 Act that enabled additional members to be appointed to a tribunal. On foot of this, two additional members were appointed to the planning tribunal in October 2002, one of them the current chairman, Judge Mahon. It was necessary to introduce a further Act in 2004 to ensure that Judge Mahon, as the then new chairperson of the tribunal, could make orders regarding applications for costs incurred during the tenure of the preceding chairman. A separate Act in May 2004 provided, among other things, that a tribunal consisting of more than one member might act in divisions.

    Notwithstanding the fact that the tribunal was expanded to comprise three members, its subsequent work, based on its terms of reference, proved very unwieldy. The tribunal published a fourth interim report in June 2004, which gave a broad overview of the work then on hand and indicated that there remained a large volume of work in respect of which public hearings had not yet begun. The tribunal indicated that it could see this work carrying on until 2014 or 2015. Accordingly, it requested changes to its terms of reference to allow it more discretion in the issues that it investigated or chose not to pursue, so as to shorten the anticipated duration of its work.
    Barack Obama, eat your heart out!

    Gormley's contribution drew derision from many media commentators, and from other members of the Dáil. Eamon Gilmore described it in the following terms:

    The Minister for the Environment……...gave one of the most pathetic speeches I have heard in a long time. The political leader and Minister who has been a champion of good planning and integrity in politics, rather than contributing to the debate or giving a speech that meant anything, was reduced to reading out the explanatory memorandum of a Bill that he said when he was in opposition he would oppose to the last. It is a pathetic sight to see a Minister come in here to be walked on and then cut and run after he has delivered his speech.
    Was anyone else watching as Gormley rattled off this dross and then padded out of the chamber immediately afterwards? I'm sure that myself and Eamon Gilmore were not the only people shocked that Gormley had not got a single cogent argument to oppose the Fine Gael motion

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    Did Tom Hayes reply ?
    1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?

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    I often watch the debates live but sadly this is one I missed! Still, having witnessed a lot of Green Party u-turning and flip-flopping I would venture that as the GP necks like a jockey's b*llox become even harder we should see even worse ones!

    I can't get that Planet Bertie speech out of my head. So far we have seen nothing apart from the M3 and the great light bulb initiative to be able to properly assess the GP's GREEN ROLE in Government!

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    the M3? isn't that the road that the greens were vehemently opposed to before the election, and are now doing absolutely nothing to stop or reroute it now that they're "in power"?

    Gormless will doubtlessly claim that they had a huge influence on 'the greenest budget ever' but other than the vrt changes which are pretty meaningless if you ask me, they have achieved nothing.
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    Well I saw some Green people on here last week crowing about the condoms thing. So I suppose they got that much

    Tara will be bulldozed, the incinerator will be poisoning the residents of Ringsend, and fat-cat FF/PD developers will be getting rich thanks to co-location……but at least us common folk will get 25 pence off a pack of johnnies

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    Re: Worst Dáil speech in a long time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Compound Fracture
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    Gormley's speech, on the other hand, gave the impression of a speech that had been written by a member of the Young Greens in on work expierience, aided by nothing but the Irish Statute Book website.
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    Hmm, I wrote to the guy a few months ago to clarify his position on Evoting Machines, and his reply was disappointing at best. It was basically a list of CEV report dates and a conclusion that he doesn't know yet.

    2-3 years ago I thought JG was the best thing since sausages. Now I've no time for the chap at all. I suspect he traded his testicles for the Cabinet seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Compound Fracture
    Well I saw some Green people on here last week crowing about the condoms thing. So I suppose they got that much

    Tara will be bulldozed, the incinerator will be poisoning the residents of Ringsend, and fat-cat FF/PD developers will be getting rich thanks to co-location……but at least us common folk will get 25 pence off a pack of johnnies
    Please GOD make that a campaign slogan for FG in the local/Euro elections

    Please.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Trinity Politick
    Please GOD make that a campaign slogan for FG in the local/Euro elections

    Please.....
    Its more likely to be the Green Party Slogan. They will need SOME crumb to hold out to the electorate

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    It's not so much as a Green role in government, but a Green roll-over in government.

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