Greens to get new taxes

[returning officer]

Rte/IT has it that the Greens will get their way with some new Green taxes in the forthcoming budget and thereafter, it this the party flexing its muscles or FF get revenue for the coffers, while blaming their senior coalition party?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1112/motortax.html
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontp ... 29326.html

And if Gormley does hit bigger cars (defined at 1.6s AND over) with higher car tax, will he also ensure that Civil Service/Public Service milliage allowance is also capped at that level to at least have some sense of consistency?

Edit: Covered on this thread
http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t= ... 6f9265326e

[bryannavaro]

I don't understand why they are taxing cars by engine size and not by CO2/km.

Fiat Grand Punto, 1.4 litre: 145 g/km
Peugeot 306 2.0 litre diesel: 141 g/km

Under the Green plan the Fiat owner pays less tax. Go figure.

[Aindriu]

I don't understand why they are taxing cars by engine size and not by CO2/km.

Fiat Grand Punto, 1.4 litre: 145 g/km
Peugeot 306 2.0 litre diesel: 141 g/km

Under the Green plan the Fiat owner pays less tax. Go figure.

It's because all politicians are muppets. They couldn't organise a pi$$ up at Guinness FFS.

[Fr. Hank Tree]

Rte/IT has it that the Greens will get their way with some new Green taxes in the forthcoming budget and thereafter, it this the party flexing its muscles or FF get revenue for the coffers, while blaming their senior coalition party?

Motor tax goes to the local authorities. It has nothing to do with the Finance Department. I know you're not saying this but i thought i'd put it out there.

[tralee1]

in protest i'm buying a range rover

[meriwether]

This is a bit unfortunate for the Greens.
I glanced at the Times this orning, and the headline involved 'Green Taxes' and 'tight budget'.
Now, I know that the reason there is a tight budget is due to Macro conditions, globally and nationally.
But other people will associate the tight budget with the Green taxes.
In essence, FF are going to blame those dastardly Greens and their terribly powerful position for imposing the taxation at a time when difficult decisions have to be made, i.e. its the Greens fault.
Just watch.

[qtman]

I don't understand why they are taxing cars by engine size and not by CO2/km.

Fiat Grand Punto, 1.4 litre: 145 g/km
Peugeot 306 2.0 litre diesel: 141 g/km

Under the Green plan the Fiat owner pays less tax. Go figure.

You're correct that emissions should be the target. However, the example you use, in comparing an inefficient Fiat with a highly efficient Peugeot, is extreme and not the norm.

The bottom line here is that that we don't have any details re. the plans.

However, time is not on our side in any of this. Emissions costs money, and someone has to pay, so until such time as we have a precise regime for linking motor tax to emissions, owner of larger cars should pay more.

[Victor Meldrew]

I don't understand why they are taxing cars by engine size and not by CO2/km.

Fiat Grand Punto, 1.4 litre: 145 g/km
Peugeot 306 2.0 litre diesel: 141 g/km

Under the Green plan the Fiat owner pays less tax. Go figure.

You're correct that emissions should be the target. However, the example you use, in comparing an inefficient Fiat with a highly efficient Peugeot, is extreme and not the norm.

The bottom line here is that that we don't have any details re. the plans.

However, time is not on our side in any of this. Emissions costs money, and someone has to pay, so until such time as we have a precise regime for linking motor tax to emissions, owner of larger cars should pay more.

Small family cars (the 308 and grande Punto) are what we should be driving, and we should be driving diesel versions not petrol versions. The UK have CO2 emissions so a lift and shift would be easy and fail. what we have here is lazy and cynical

[bryannavaro]

Emissions costs money, and someone has to pay, so until such time as we have a precise regime for linking motor tax to emissions, owner of larger cars should pay more.

The grams C02/km specification for all cars is known, so there's nothing stopping it from being introduced straight away.

[Aindriu]

Small family cars (the 308 and grande Punto) are what we should be driving, and we should be driving diesel versions not petrol versions. The UK have CO2 emissions so a lift and shift would be easy and fail. what we have here is lazy and cynical

I wouldn't call either of those "family" cars. Family of hamsters perhaps but certainly not a family of 2 adults and 2 children. Have you ever tried getting a buggy and a weeks shopping in a Punto FFS?