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    Green Proposals for the renewable energy sector.

    Ok we already have the SEI Grants.

    What's next on the list from John Gormley. Levies of €1000 on each new oil boiler fitted in a new build? Getting Coillte to establish a wood pellet/chip plant?

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    We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when creating them

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    The domestic renewable sector - obviously it's an easier fix than, say, transport for reducing our dependance on CO2 and foreign oil. So we already have the carrot in the form of the Sustainable Energy Ireland grants, what is next on the list?

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    Re: Green Proposals for the renewable energy sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine
    Ok we already have the SEI Grants.

    What's next on the list from John Gormley. Levies of €1000 on each new oil boiler fitted in a new build? Getting Coillte to establish a wood pellet/chip plant?
    I think this is Eamon Ryan's brief, but no matter.

    The problem with the Greener Homes Scheme was that it only granted aided systems that use energy and not systems that produce energy. The influence of the ESB was clearly at play. There are also some questions re. the promotion of wood chip, in that its not entirely clear that wood chip is carbon neutral (or cheap).

    What Ryan need to do is get a grant scheme in place that incentives the installation of energy producing systems e.g. domestic turbines and light tiles. He also needs to start getting renewable energy systems into new and existing public buildings, to stimulate the market.
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    Hmmm....I'd have reservations about small scale turbines, although there's no reason larger users can't follow the DKIT route and install one.

    Perhaps a regulation that all new developments must include one form of renewable energy? After all, there are still entire housing estates built that haven't even the slightest nod to sustainability.

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    Re: Green Proposals for the renewable energy sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by qtman
    The problem with the Greener Homes Scheme was that it only granted aided systems that use energy and not systems that produce energy. The influence of the ESB was clearly at play. There are also some questions re. the promotion of wood chip, in that its not entirely clear that wood chip is carbon neutral (or cheap).
    My complaint exactly to SEI. For instance, the only solar heating system I know of which doesn't require a connection to the grid can't get 'approved' because it doesn't fit the tests designed for grid-connection systems. It's a net producer of energy, uses recycled aluminium and parts are made using hydro power in Scandinavia so it's head and shoulders above anything else. It's the system I want but I can't get the grant.

    The pellet stoves and the heat pump systems too are dubious in their environmental advantages. Again, I know a plumber who installs heat pumps and has one himself and he reckons the ESB side of it cripples the cost benefits.

    Pellets? I'd like to see true life cycle analyses of these systems.

    None of the 'approved' systems work during a power cut, an idea which has a Roche-like smell.
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    Yes in Japan and Germany people can sell electricity back to the supplier so the meter can go backwards! You can rent out your roofspace if you want for a solar panel. According to

    http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/Eco/EEch5_ss4.htm

    "Perhaps the most exciting technological advance has been the development of a photovoltaic roofing material in Japan. A joint effort involving the construction industry, the solar cell manufacturing industry, and the Japanese government plans to have 4,600 megawatts of electrical generating capacity in place by 2010, enough to satisfy all of the electricity needs of a country like Estonia"

    The bit about 2010 is the bit that struck me as it sounds alot more present-dayish.

    Methinks the ESB are rather scared of what might happen if we started sending electricity back to the grid, thereby affecting frequencies, etc and give me the impression that they turn up their noses at micropower. Pity as it is a great opportunity.

    Must read George Monbiot's book 'Heat' on my holiers and see what we are all in for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renewal
    and give me the impression that they turn up their noses at micropower. Pity as it is a great opportunity.
    If it were a great opportunity the ESB could buy themselves solar panels or whatever else, there's no particular need for them to be on someone's roof. The reason they don't is because these solar panels aren't particularly good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine
    The domestic renewable sector - obviously it's an easier fix than, say, transport for reducing our dependance on CO2 and foreign oil. So we already have the carrot in the form of the Sustainable Energy Ireland grants, what is next on the list?
    Why do we need heating systems if there is global warming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auditor #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine
    The domestic renewable sector - obviously it's an easier fix than, say, transport for reducing our dependance on CO2 and foreign oil. So we already have the carrot in the form of the Sustainable Energy Ireland grants, what is next on the list?
    Why do we need heating systems if there is global warming?
    Because the warming is global!

    The effect of the global warming will be to change weather patterns in various parts of the world.

    In Ireland, for instance, the warming at the north pole could release so much fresh water that the Atlantic Conveyor ceases to work. This will remove most of the heat from the Atlantic Seaboard and will see Ireland having a climate similiar to Newfoundland or Siberia.

    Buy your thermals now, before the rush begins
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