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    Letter to the Green TDs

    To our Green TDs from a green supporter

    This has been an eye-opener. I am a Green voter since the Green Alliance kicked off 25 years ago. And a letterbox stuffer and general helper.

    Even allowing for your tiredness and frustration if you are in opposition benches for years, getting uncomfortably close to retirement age, and are tempted to take the only chance you think you personally might ever get to move into Government Buildings, in my opinion this is a bad day for green politics.

    The Programme is pathetically vague in every area that matters. There is no excuse for that. It is the only hold you could have had over the bigger party in Government so you had to get it right, plain and simple. You had the time and the resources. You did not have the imagination or the wit.

    If you did not have those qualities when it mattered you have no chance of effecting useful change simply by being in the Government benches. You haven’t a hope.

    In our system only two people in Government matter – Taoiseach and Finance. Under their rein your ego will grow but your influence will shrink.

    Sorry to have to say this but either you have been had by FF or we have been had by you. The future is Green? We have had our future.

    ...........


    [David I see you have locked my thread on the result (even though I scooped you by a whole three minutes ) so I hope you will allow this reaction to stand on its own]
    'To attempt to rerun a referendum as a means of reversing the democratic decision taken by the people would be rightly regarded as an affront'. Dick Roche TD 21.12.01

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    Re: Letter to the Green TDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Three
    To our Green TDs from a green supporter

    This has been an eye-opener...

    ... Sorry to have to say this but either you have been had by FF or we have been had by you. The future is Green? We have had our future.
    I second that. (And I was a founder-member of the GP, actively involved for nearly twenty years.)
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    Re: Letter to the Green TDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Three
    To our Green TDs from a green supporter

    This has been an eye-opener. I am a Green voter since the Green Alliance kicked off 25 years ago. And a letterbox stuffer and general helper.

    Even allowing for your tiredness and frustration if you are in opposition benches for years, getting uncomfortably close to retirement age, and are tempted to take the only chance you think you personally might ever get to move into Government Buildings, in my opinion this is a bad day for green politics.

    The Programme is pathetically vague in every area that matters. There is no excuse for that. It is the only hold you could have had over the bigger party in Government so you had to get it right, plain and simple. You had the time and the resources. You did not have the imagination or the wit.

    If you did not have those qualities when it mattered you have no chance of effecting useful change simply by being in the Government benches. You haven’t a hope.

    In our system only two people in Government matter – Taoiseach and Finance. Under their rein your ego will grow but your influence will shrink.

    Sorry to have to say this but either you have been had by FF or we have been had by you. The future is Green? We have had our future.

    ...........
    A Chara,
    I am directed by the (Green) Minister for Blah Blah to acknowledge receipt of your posting of today's date to the P.ie web site and to state that the matters you advert to will receive the Minister's attention in due course.

    Is mise, le meas

    Daphne Moulde-Pochin

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    John Gormley. The lights may be on, but there's no one at home....

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    Re: Letter to the Green TDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Helium Three":1pr7xh2a
    To our Green TDs from a green supporter

    This has been an eye-opener. I am a Green voter since the Green Alliance kicked off 25 years ago. And a letterbox stuffer and general helper.

    Even allowing for your tiredness and frustration if you are in opposition benches for years, getting uncomfortably close to retirement age, and are tempted to take the only chance you think you personally might ever get to move into Government Buildings, in my opinion this is a bad day for green politics.

    The Programme is pathetically vague in every area that matters. There is no excuse for that. It is the only hold you could have had over the bigger party in Government so you had to get it right, plain and simple. You had the time and the resources. You did not have the imagination or the wit.

    If you did not have those qualities when it mattered you have no chance of effecting useful change simply by being in the Government benches. You haven’t a hope.

    In our system only two people in Government matter – Taoiseach and Finance. Under their rein your ego will grow but your influence will shrink.

    Sorry to have to say this but either you have been had by FF or we have been had by you. The future is Green? We have had our future.

    ...........
    A Chara,
    I am directed by the (Green) Minister for Blah Blah to acknowledge receipt of your posting of today's date to the P.ie web site and to state that the matters you advert to will receive the Minister's attention in due course.

    Is mise, le meas

    Daphne Moulde-Pochin

    Rúnaí Príobháideach[/quote:1pr7xh2a]

    Guess I should be grateful to be getting as far as the Runaí Príobháideach eh?
    'To attempt to rerun a referendum as a means of reversing the democratic decision taken by the people would be rightly regarded as an affront'. Dick Roche TD 21.12.01

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    Get over it. Its democracy. A lot of people wanted you in Government. The vast majority of your members did so also.
    Minds cannot be managed, only inspired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gosimeon
    Get over it. Its democracy. A lot of people wanted you in Government. The vast majority of your members did so also.
    Minds cannot be managed, you say - not so sure about that.
    'To attempt to rerun a referendum as a means of reversing the democratic decision taken by the people would be rightly regarded as an affront'. Dick Roche TD 21.12.01

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    Re: Letter to the Green TDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Three
    Guess I should be grateful to be getting as far as the Runaí Príobháideach eh?
    Sea, go deimhin. Tá sí an-phríobáideach...
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    Re: Letter to the Green TDs

    Quote Originally Posted by soubresauts
    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Three
    To our Green TDs from a green supporter

    This has been an eye-opener...

    ... Sorry to have to say this but either you have been had by FF or we have been had by you. The future is Green? We have had our future.
    I second that. (And I was a founder-member of the GP, actively involved for nearly twenty years.)

    was this not going to happen from that moment, you always going to enter governement as the much much much smaller party to more established one.
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    The Greens always knew that coalition was a possibility. But there were always non-negotiable conditions, until 2007, that is. Fundamental moral principles, you could say.

    The Greens still claim to have principles; see www.greenparty.ie/en/about. But (to take just one of them) how do you reconcile the following principle with allowing the Shannon stopover to continue?

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    Re: Letter to the Green TDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Helium Three":33gofeda
    To our Green TDs from a green supporter

    This has been an eye-opener. I am a Green voter since the Green Alliance kicked off 25 years ago. And a letterbox stuffer and general helper.

    Even allowing for your tiredness and frustration if you are in opposition benches for years, getting uncomfortably close to retirement age, and are tempted to take the only chance you think you personally might ever get to move into Government Buildings, in my opinion this is a bad day for green politics.

    The Programme is pathetically vague in every area that matters. There is no excuse for that. It is the only hold you could have had over the bigger party in Government so you had to get it right, plain and simple. You had the time and the resources. You did not have the imagination or the wit.

    If you did not have those qualities when it mattered you have no chance of effecting useful change simply by being in the Government benches. You haven’t a hope.

    In our system only two people in Government matter – Taoiseach and Finance. Under their rein your ego will grow but your influence will shrink.

    Sorry to have to say this but either you have been had by FF or we have been had by you. The future is Green? We have had our future.

    ...........
    A Chara,
    I am directed by the (Green) Minister for Blah Blah to acknowledge receipt of your posting of today's date to the P.ie web site and to state that the matters you advert to will receive the Minister's attention in due course.

    Is mise, le meas

    Daphne Moulde-Pochin

    Rúnaí Príobháideach[/quote:33gofeda]


    His green ministership was very happy to be here today to officially open this magnificently green new M3 motorway which would do so much to improve quality of life and assist in increasing the sustainability of ever increasing road traffic.

    His greeness was particularly proud of the bright yellow and green glow from the hundreds of thousands of acres of rape seed oil being grown for transport fuel. He challenged unfounded accusations that this had led to huge environmental damage and a massive inrease in the incidence of asthma.
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