Yes but Tara sellout merc perk.Originally Posted by joemomma
Sorry, but can you explain why we should be interested in this fantasyland thought experiment? In case you hadn't noticed Fine Gael supports the M3 project going ahead as planned.
You might as well say "If Fine Gael brought in a motion that the Oireachtas should implement the Green Party election manifesto... would the Greens support it?"
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Uturn! Gormless!Yes but Tara sellout merc perk.Sorry, but can you explain why we should be interested in this fantasyland thought experiment? In case you hadn't noticed Fine Gael supports the M3 project going ahead as planned.
You might as well say "If Fine Gael brought in a motion that the Oireachtas should implement the Green Party election manifesto... would the Greens support it?"
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What a strange Irish person…You set yourselves against the greatest minds the State or province ever had to say that Irish people should grow up...
Daniel O Connell didn't say grow up…he used the power of Tara to galvanise a movement...
Neither did Griffiths or Countess Markiewicz…
A country is not made up simply of today but of a history of a people…
The one thing about Lisbon, Gareth Fitzgerald said that rang through… Where are the leaders of today…
They are all snivelling saying ‘we can’t do anything’
All the great leaders dare to dream.. only the greens sit in their ministerial cars accepting the crumbs from the table...
It is not a legal issue.... it is a question of the kind of Ireland we want to live in.
It is a legal issue. Do your homework
It is not a legal issue.... it is a question of the kind of Ireland we want to live in.
Yeah, the Greens are renowned for their lack of vision and idealism. Agree with you on that point.All the great leaders dare to dream.. only the greens sit in their ministerial cars accepting the crumbs from the table...
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Found this on another thread:
The Tarawatch campaign group are supporting the current proposal from John Gormley to have the Tara-Skryne valley designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site, but with the proviso that the the M3 be re-routed (not scrapped - just diverted; probably about seven miles to the west), and are seeking signatures for a petition supporting this prior to the meeting with UNESCO which is to take place in July. An important part of the criteria upon which a successful nomination will depend is that the site be as intact as possible; hence their position.
I know many original opponents of the motorway route are probably disillusioned with this by now, but there is a very real chance that UNESCO will approve the nomination & the (remaining) sites will be preserved and enhanced, so please take the time to sign the petition if you have not already done so, e-mail the links to friends, post elsewhere, etc...
For those commuters who might be inconvenienced by the likely delay in the delivery of the M3 if it is re-routed, please consider that it will be only temporary, and the gains made by having another UNESCO site on the island will surely be worth it.
The link to the petition & further details are available via http://www.tarawatch.org/
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I did my homework sir :P I promise :P
Legal there is no real protection for National Monuments or need an Bord Pleanala to explain and justify their decisions made.
Legally there is no requirment for Public Consultation or the result which were in favour of the Western route which not only mimics the rail line allowing for park and ride but also means people from Trim and Navan get to use the road without creating another traffic black spot at Navan
Legally there is no requirment for EIS etc to explain where they get conclusions from ...
It is enough to say.. You know I felt this was the right route... and you know I think it was something to do with the landscape...No no.. i think it was to do with houses...but that's not in the EIS. summary matrices... well that doesn't really reflect the way I really felt?
And to change their mind on why they chose the route ad nauseum through out the proceeding.
Hense legally we are tied by the loosness of the laws.. making it a political issue where the politicans need to tighten the laws.. but of course.. why would they? And to keep on topic the Greens didn't ask them to tighten these laws to make the system accountable.
But then these laws are in direct violation of EU laws that we signed up to. Hense the EU is taking us to the ECJ but while they have the right to put an injuction on work they are refusing to do so.
Mr Dimas, according to Kathy Sinnot and I don't know why she would lie, has been reassured by John Gormley ( yes the Green minister ) that Ireland is doing the right thing and the bulldosers have stopped.
However after being informed of that this is not the case, the EU has delayed the case and is only looking for fines and a change in our laws... this will be after the M3 motorway is complete and a the most important pristine archaeological landscape in Ireland has been destroyed.
Legal proceedings in Irish courts are also being delayed.
We can only assume since the government should have known for 6 or so years that the planning permission was given under strange to say the least circumstances ....that there are reasons why this motorway is going ahead on this route rather than the Western route. I am sure those reason will come to the fore in time probably another shopping centre from the Blundelstown interchange that will destroy all free flow of traffic anyway.....afterall why would you put an interchange in a historic valley...
anyway sir, that's the issue and we are on very weak legal ground in Ireland though not so much in the Eu. But there there seems to be inexplicable decisions being made too and I don't know why... Apparently the reason is Tara is not "exceptional" enough to warrent an injuction but we don't have anything more exceptional...
Homework - Why the Planning permission was flawed
This is all supported by the following documents anything in quotes is actually directly from the documents.
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So UNESCO has come and gone.. yet no mention of Tara. Mr gormley didn't even put it on the tentitive list.
WAC comes and another top Archaeological group wonders why if you can't re-route the M3, surely legal protection of the rest of the valley is acceptable
"Its iconic significance derives from its unique cultural character . . . The WAC strongly encourages the Irish Government to instigate formal protection measures for this area and to consider nominating Tara for inscription as a World Heritage Site.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 33077.html
Are Greens still confident that they won't end up as the PD's
After all there is very little to be seen of any protective measures for our enviroment or heritage.. and the little we do about Climate change ( though I agree it should be done ) will hardly affect the overall problem...
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