The Greens and Ministerial Pensions.

[OceanFrog]

Frankly your post was a disgrace, gb. Someone asked a question. You replied by personal abuse. That was uncalled for.

You are usually a very constructive and interesting poster, even if many of us disagree with some of your posts. You are obviously annoyed over what has happened to the Greens but that is no justification for attacking a poster who simply asked a question. There is no evidence that they are trolling, or are political plants like Misty/eurocitizen etc. They asked a question. Your response was to bite them head off and abuse them.

Well said.

[controller]

And this subject has been done to death on this site, so if you have nothing better to contribute, get lost.

Where, I'd like to know as well, just show me a link, please!!

[just4ever]

I've been searching and there's not much info on the matter.

[OceanFrog]

Now back OT.

This is a good question and I'd also like an answer.

As far as I'm aware, a government minister is entitled to a pension after 1095 days in office, which equates to 3 years. This government took office on June 14th 2007. Correct? So Ryan will be the only one to keep it after the reshuffle if the rumours are true.

I read somewhere today that Ministers are entitled to both a pension (abet not 100% pension), and parachute payments after TWO YEARS in office. Is this true? If so Gormley will have entitlement to both the ministerial pension AND these parachute payments.

But I'm not sure and may be wrong on this. Does anyone know the detailed pension provisions and other entitlements of Ministers? Are there special provisions for Ministers who voluntarly step down?


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[ivnryn]

Well if I'm wrong do you care to elaborate rather than just dismissing a valid question?

It is apparently,

Minister:
<2 years: 0
2-3 years: 25%
3-4 years: 27.5%
(and 2.5% for each additional year)

TD
<3 years: 0
>3 years: something (dunno the formula)

This means Ryan and Gormley have already achieved the 25% threshold.

The Green who were elected in 2007 need to stay in power until June to get a TD pension.

In fairness, it is pretty efficient. If you have 5 years in government and each Minister stays in power for 5 years, you get

2 Ministers @ 5 years: 25% + 3*2.5 = two 32.5% pensions = 65% of a ministers salary in total

If you swap ministers after 2 years, you have the potential to get

4 ministers @ 2 years: 25% each = four 25% pensions = 100% of a ministers salary in total

However, it looks like the Greens are planning for Ryan to have 32.5% and Gormley/other to have 25% pensions each.

[just4ever]

It is apparently,

Minister:
<2 years: 0
2-3 years: 25%
3-4 years: 27.5%
(and 2.5% for each additional year)

TD
<3 years: 0
>3 years: something (dunno the formula)

This means Ryan and Gormley have already achieved the 25% threshold.

The Green who were elected in 2007 need to stay in power until June to get a TD pension.

In fairness, it is pretty efficient. If you have 5 years in government and each Minister stays in power for 5 years, you get

2 Ministers @ 5 years: 25% + 3*2.5 = two 32.5% pensions = 65% of a ministers salary in total

If you swap ministers after 2 years, you have the potential to get

4 ministers @ 2 years: 25% each = four 25% pensions = 100% of a ministers salary in total

However, it looks like the Greens are planning for Ryan to have 32.5% and Gormley/other to have 25% pensions each.

Ok interesting, do you know a link to it?

[controller]

But is there really much difference between the Greens swapping positions and BC having a cabinet reshuffle. Same end result really. I'm sure that FF have been pulling this s**t for years

[goosebump]

Frankly your post was a disgrace, gb. Someone asked a question. You replied by personal abuse. That was uncalled for.

You are usually a very constructive and interesting poster, even if many of us disagree with some of your posts. You are obviously annoyed over what has happened to the Greens but that is no justification for attacking a poster who simply asked a question. There is no evidence that they are trolling, or are political plants like Misty/eurocitizen etc. They asked a question. Your response was to bite them head off and abuse them.

It has nothing to do with my view on the Greens.

It has everything to do with brain-dead gobsh1tes demeaning political debate by constantly harping about what politicians are paid.

The vast, vast majority of people who participate in the political system do so at a cost to themselves.

[controller]

The vast, vast majority of people who participate in the political system do so at a cost to themselves.

The vast majority of people at work in Ireland today do not get £250 tax free walking about money......some cost

[just4ever]

It has nothing to do with my view on the Greens.

It has everything to do with brain-dead gobsh1tes demeaning political debate by constantly harping about what politicians are paid.

The vast, vast majority of people who participate in the political system do so at a cost to themselves.

It is in no way demeaning debate when that same pay is what is dictating the direction of the political system, now unless you have anything in the slightest bit constructive to say why don't you just keep out of this thread.