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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Yep.

    And we'd be as badly off as Iceland at this stage.




    Sorry Digout, but YOU don't get it.

    The Banks can't afford to foreclose on the developers because it would force them to write down the value of their Balance Sheets - thus making them Bankrupt.

    NAMA can afford to foreclose on the Developers, and screw them for all the other assets they put up as collateral.

    On that basis I don't see how you can pretend that the Developers are better off (never mind being "bailed out by" the NAMA appcoach.


    Likewise, the owners of the Banks have had the value of their investments reduced by more than 90%, and they will be reduced even more when the recapitalisation happens.

    On what basis do you consider giving someone a 99% haircut to be a "bailout".


    The Greens warned about the dangers of ending up in this place back in the early noughties, but they were ridiculed by the FFailures and their wannabe clones in FG and Labour.

    The Greens were "anti-progress" when they argued against rezoning enough land to do us until 2070. They were "anti-jobs" when they argued against building twice as much retail space as a Country of four million people could possibly need.

    The Greens "Get it", don't you worry.

    Unfortunately they voters don't. That's why they keep returning Fianna Fail led Governments.




    The Green Movement will trundle along even if the political wing takes a smacking in 2012.

    But the gains that have been made in advancing the Green Agenda by being in Government will more than outweigh any temporary setbacks. A new Green Party will have come through by 2017, and the effects of Peak Oil will ensure that they get a reasonable hearing from the Electorate.

    But, more than likely, Noel Dempsey will lead Fianna Fail to victory in 2017 because Enda made a bags of yet another election.

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    Oh my God. You are not just stupid, you are bloody well dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPB View Post
    Oh my God. You are not just stupid, you are bloody well dangerous.

    Yup, we certainly have a live one here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greener View Post
    I see you have missed the expenditure (ratified by the Greens) on NAMA, Anglo, and the various recapitalisations of Irish banks ? I also note that the Greens have not sought to take a knife to the irrelevant and redundnat QUANGOS. Have we closed off loopholes in the welfare system ? Not at all. The Greens have sat idley by as public spending continues to increase (in spite of the optics of the December Budget).
    If you want Green Policies implemented in full, vote for Green TDs.

    In 2007 the electorate voted for 160 TDs committed to Business as Usual, and 6 TDs committed to change.

    When the Greens have a mandate from 51% of the population, then, and only then, can they make the changes to BAU that you advocate.

    That is how democracy works.



    Well is Nuclear not Carbon Neutral, a ready source of job creation, and still not fully investigated in an Irish context. It may be expensive, but it is reliable, and carbon neutral. On the other hand, energy created from wind/solar etc can also be highly expensive while not robust enough to deal with Irish needs.
    Of course Nuclear is not carbon neutral. What a ridiculous notion!

    Neither is it reliable. Look at all the problems the UK and France have with Nukes going offline on a regular basis. You have to build two Nukes for every one you want, just in case.

    Wind is not expensive, and neither is Biomass. Energy Conservation costs even less.

    But you can forget about Nukes. Even the UK, who keep claiming they are going to build new Nukes, can't afford those White Elephants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecoguy View Post
    Please refer to my earlier posts on the subject

    PS: Irish farmers are getting paid billions of EU taxpayers money for measures that protect biodiversity, water quality etc. - hardly the stuff of promoting a rural wasteland
    field full of nothing,we are importing vegetables from china while our fields are full of rushes. our farmers are sick to the eyeteeth of having to ask what they can and can't do with their land.we could feed the most of western europe but your shower block us at every corner,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPB View Post
    I expected an answer like that. Your total lack of even one imaginative or innovative idea to drive your agenda other than to make all other options unworkable by making them unaffordable exposes your obvious lack of intelligence. The fact that your party suffers from the same disability and we the majority are being made suffer for this, is worrying to say the least.

    Roll on the election, the revolution, whatever.
    This from the langer who thinks energy can be created out of thin air.

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    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    This from the langer who thinks energy can be created out of thin air.

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    Come on bright lad, just one workable idea for low cost energy creation.

    1 just 1, surely you can manage one bright idea or is the energy required to work your brain dependent on the burning of turf.

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    Lucinda Creighton is laughing in Gormley's face on The Week in Politics.

    His excuses are feeble.

    Just admit you are in it for the pension Johnny
    We have turned the corner.I commend this Budget to the House. Brian Lenihan, 9 December 2009

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    Gormless is raging, car crash TV.

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    the is uranium in donegal,the site is already cleared for the incinerator in poolbeg we build the nuclear power station there instead ,home grown zero co2 energy ,no worries

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    Creighton is filleting gormless live on RTE, this is hilarious.

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