FF backbenchers to lobby Gormley to ease up on Green Party policies

[SPN]

It is a FLAT TAX

It punishes people of lower socio economic means in the name of Green Party voodoo politics.

What complete gibberish!

It provides funding for measures to PROTECT people of lower socio economic means so that they will not be so badly affected as prices rise due to Peak Oil.


I know we've had decades of Governments who only think short term, so it is not surprising that you are doing the same, but if we don't prepare for the energy problems that are coming in the near future (which in Green terms means the next 10 years, not next weekend) then we are going to be rightly fliuced when the excrement hits the airconditioning.

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[SPN]

The Greens are the ones propping up the FF junta.

You would prefer if Labour were propping them up?

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[Greener]

What complete gibberish!

It provides funding for measures to PROTECT people of lower socio economic means so that they will not be so badly affected as prices rise due to Peak Oil.


I know we've had decades of Governments who only think short term, so it is not surprising that you are doing the same, but if we don't prepare for the energy problems that are coming in the near future (which in Green terms means the next 10 years, not next weekend) then we are going to be rightly fliuced when the excrement hits the airconditioning.

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What measures ? Again it is a tax to satisfy a climate change agenda.

Furthermore, our government is so used to the politcis of wanto wastage that I would be reticent to believe any tax revenue is flagged for any specified purpose.

Our energy crisis could also be dealt with by other means. Of course nuclear power etc is a non runner from your cabal of smug arseholes.

[Ecoguy]

Unleaded petrol had a 13c per litre increase in the 2 budgets Oct 08 and April 09. Diesel 10c per litre, April 09 and Dec 2010. We now pay almost 80% tax on a litre of fuel.

The carbon tax was an extra tax on top of these FF increases and a Green demand in the renegotiated programme for self preservation and the ruination of a country.

The Green Party were always intended by FF to be their official toilet roll. I knew that, most sensible people knew that but what amazes us is how proud the Green Party leadership are to be toilet roll of FF.

I'm not disputing that the GP have become, like the PDs before them, FF's a*se wipes - I'm an Environmental Scientist by profession and I can tell you that in the circles I move in there are many seriously disillusioned, now ex-GP supporters out there. But my point I feel still stands ie. that duty on fuel and a whole host of other products and services was always set to rise given the crisis in the country's finances - precisely the same thing is happening in the Greek emergency budget.

[MPB]

The more tax we put on fuel the less fuel people will use.

The less fuel people use the less money that gets sent out of our economy and into Saudi Arabia's economy.


What sort of an uneducated gobsheen would think that sending money to Saudi is a good idea?



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And the winner of how to create energy out of thin air is SPN.

And the winner for making an economy and a household too expensive to run is SPN.

Jesus, but you are on a roll tonight. Saudi Arabia has oil. It comes to us fairly cheap but not forever. You do not like oil and you rightly believe it will not last forever.

So what do you do? You decide to make oil far more expensive to use than the market suggests it should be. That way we will be prevented from using it. We basically, will not be able to afford it.

But you have forgotten one very serious and very important thing, its replacement. Where is it? What is it? Have you decided yet? How much will it cost? Have you the necessary finances to make it work? Will it be cheaper than oil, gas and coal? Will our country be more or less competitive without oil and gas?

Answers on a postage stamp, beside your programme for Govt. please.

[Húrin]

The TDs' concern for stag hunting and carbon tax is touching. But funny how they don't have the same concern for kids in run-down classrooms, are silent while M Harney wrecks the health service with her incompetent discredited policies, and are so silent about the number of job losses that have flowed from the policies of their own party.

Exactly. The Greens were pro-primary education in opposition but once in they accepted, albeit uncomfortably, every cut lopped off by FF.

So, who would you like to see replacing them?

Odd question. Everyone knows that the only likely replacement for the current government would be FG and Labour.

Neither of the above are turncoats or FF'ers, and they are doing an excellent job in getting Green Party Policy implemented (as the thread title points out).

The fact that they are getting on with their jobs, and not grandstanding every other day, is something that should be welcomed.

You will achieve your goals much faster with more GP TDs after 2012 than you will with either FF-Lite or FF-Liter.

Banning stag hunting is not what I would consider an essential government policy, along the lines of say stopping the burning of soil for electricity, tackling the supermarkets, coming up with a plan for jobs and getting serious about renewable energy.

Are you seriously trying to convince us that the Greens have not become like Fianna Fail?

But in reality we won't be guaranteeing anything unless we're in government.

It turned out that even in government they could not guarantee anything. NAMA was completely antithetical to any sustainable principles and the right-wing shills who now appear to make up the Green party membership voted for it none the less.

Our energy crisis could also be dealt with by other means. Of course nuclear power etc is a non runner from your cabal of smug arseholes.

Have you taken a look at how much nuclear power costs? Why are you advocating the most expensive solution possible?

[SPN]

What measures ? Again it is a tax to satisfy a climate change agenda.

Never mind the Climate Change Agenda (important and all as it is), I'm more worried about how our economy will function in ten years time when global oil production is only half what it is now.

Furthermore, our government is so used to the politcis of wanto wastage that I would be reticent to believe any tax revenue is flagged for any specified purpose.

I know our Permanent Government (The Department of Finance Mandarins) totally hate the idea of ring fenced taxes, but the Green Party has always been adamant that a Carbon Levy must be ring fenced if it is to work properly.

If you want to see the end of "the politics of wanton wastage" that has been tolerated for decades by Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour, then you need to help get more Green TDs elected in 2012.

Our energy crisis could also be dealt with by other means. Of course nuclear power etc is a non runner from your cabal of smug arseholes.

Nuclear is like eVoting and the Poolbeg Incinerator.

It is a very costly technocratic solution to a problem that can be dealt with in many other much more taxpayer friendly ways.

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[powderfinger]

Why are power plants that are subject to the emissions trading directive, exempt from carbon taxation?

[Digout]

You would prefer if Labour were propping them up?

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Labour would have walked ages ago. You yellows really dont get it. Ye are backing up the builder/banker bailout because it allows ye to count frogs and other daft things like that. Your blind support for FF and their crimes and cover ups has put the Green movement back 20 years.

[SPN]

And the winner of how to create energy out of thin air is SPN.

And the winner for making an economy and a household too expensive to run is SPN.

Jesus, but you are on a roll tonight. Saudi Arabia has oil. It comes to us fairly cheap but not forever. You do not like oil and you rightly believe it will not last forever.

So what do you do? You decide to make oil far more expensive to use than the market suggests it should be. That way we will be prevented from using it. We basically, will not be able to afford it.

But you have forgotten one very serious and very important thing, its replacement. Where is it? What is it? Have you decided yet? How much will it cost? Have you the necessary finances to make it work? Will it be cheaper than oil, gas and coal? Will our country be more or less competitive without oil and gas?

Answers on a postage stamp, beside your programme for Govt. please.

You do like trotting out complete gibberish, don't you?

Any chance you might like to structure that meandering stream of consciousness into something meaningful that we can try and discuss rationally?

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