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    Please explain the above or i'll have to assume your a muck savage councillor from the midlands

    Please explain the above or i,ll hav to assume with a name like ecoguy
    you are a D-4 cheesemonger who drinks half double latte decaffes
    while takeing it up the tail-pipe from your 25% gay lover Paul Gogarty
    while Jedward are in the backround thinging gosthbusthers. Oh my gosh!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogmanjoe View Post
    Please explain the above or i'll have to assume your a muck savage councillor from the midlands

    Please explain the above or i,ll hav to assume with a name like ecoguy
    you are a D-4 cheesemonger who drinks half double latte decaffes
    while takeing it up the tail-pipe from your 25% gay lover Paul Gogarty
    while Jedward are in the backround thinging gosthbusthers. Oh my gosh!!
    Maybe your buddy Charley needs to explain how a study funded by the EU on a rapidly declining indicator species causes Irish children to be threatened with starvation??

    PS: I have to assume with a name like bogman Joe that you and your muck savage homies enjoy re-enacting scenes from the film Deliverance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecoguy View Post
    Do you seriously believe that FF would not have raised taxes on petrol etc. in any case to raise revenue?? - The Carbon Tax is a handy way for them to do this and use the GP as a convenient mudguard
    Unleaded petrol had a 13c per litre increase in the 2 budgets Oct 08 and April 09. Diesel 10c per litre, April 09 and Dec 2010. We now pay almost 80% tax on a litre of fuel.

    The carbon tax was an extra tax on top of these FF increases and a Green demand in the renegotiated programme for self preservation and the ruination of a country.

    The Green Party were always intended by FF to be their official toilet roll. I knew that, most sensible people knew that but what amazes us is how proud the Green Party leadership are to be toilet roll of FF.

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    My point precisely!

    Fine Gael had the opportunity to stand up to the FFailures in 2007, but instead they decided to pretend they could out Fianna Fail Fianna Fail.

    As John Gormley said:
    This election, my friends, has, regrettably, turned into a race to the bottom. The politics of the lowest common denominator, are irresponsible, they insult our intelligence and demean us all.
    The electorate decided that they could have Fianna Fail, or Fianna Fail Lite, and they chose the full strength version.

    Once that decision was made by the voters, The Greens had no choice of who they could go into Government with - and going into Government was the primary objective of the Greens in 2007, as John Gormley set out clearly.

    But in reality we won't be guaranteeing anything unless we're in government. We want to be in government. We see ourselves as a party of government but, we are also an unusual Party in that we are a Party of conviction with conviction politicians. Prospective coalition partners need to know this. If they are into power for power's sake, or if it is just about gimmicks and hype, then they should think again about knocking on our door. But if they are serious about providing a better society then they will find in the Green Party dynamic dependable people who want to provide this society with better leadership.
    I am very happy that the Green TDs in Government have done justice to that aspiration, and that the Country as a whole will be better off in 2013 because of the courageous decisions taken by our TDs.

    It is just a pity that we didn't get 12 TDs in 2007. Just imagine if we had been able to get the Ministry of Education, or the Ministry of Transport?


    I cannot bear the thought of another five years in Opposition. In the early years of this Party we talked about changing the values of society, changing the mindset. We talked about the need for a paradigm shift and sometimes when I look across at the Government benches I ask myself a deeply disturbing question. How would Dick Roche and Martin Cullen and Tom Parlon shift a paradigm?
    Changing the values of society is always going to be difficult. The people keep voting for the three Gombeen Parties, and then they complain when the Gombeens they elected behave as Gombeens and screw up our futures for short term political gain.


    The gombeenism has to end, my friends. This is it. We have an unprecedented opportunity to change this society for the better. We have the policies, we have the people, but there can be no substitute for hard work. You can make it happen. You can end the nightmare of Planet Bertie in the summer of 2007.
    And what did the Electorate say in 2007?

    They said, "No thanks John. We like Planet Bertie more than we like Planet Enda.

    But we would like to see what you guys can do in Government too."


    In 2012 we'll find out what the Electorate think of the choice between Planet BiFFo and Planet Enda.

    For me, that is an horrendous choice - and it is an even more horrendous choice when you think what it means for our children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Neither of the above are turncoats or FF'ers, and they are doing an excellent job in getting Green Party Policy implemented (as the thread title points out).

    The fact that they are getting on with their jobs, and not grandstanding every other day, is something that should be welcomed.

    You will achieve your goals much faster with more GP TDs after 2012 than you will with either FF-Lite or FF-Liter.

    Just look at the disasters they are responsible for at Local Government level, not to mention all the rezonings that we have to pick up the tab for.

    If you want to get FF out in 2012, you need to come up with a strategy to get them out. On past record (and notwithstanding the excellent points Garret Fitzgerald made on Saturday) we can be sure that FG will do their level best to lose that election too.

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    No strategy will be needed to get the Greens out in 2012. They will be lucky to return with one seat. Gormley,Cuffe,White,Gogarty, and one of Ryan or Seargent will go.

    Bye Bye Greens !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPB View Post
    Unleaded petrol had a 13c per litre increase in the 2 budgets Oct 08 and April 09. Diesel 10c per litre, April 09 and Dec 2010. We now pay almost 80% tax on a litre of fuel.

    The carbon tax was an extra tax on top of these FF increases and a Green demand in the renegotiated programme for self preservation and the ruination of a country.

    The Green Party were always intended by FF to be their official toilet roll. I knew that, most sensible people knew that but what amazes us is how proud the Green Party leadership are to be toilet roll of FF.

    The more tax we put on fuel the less fuel people will use.

    The less fuel people use the less money that gets sent out of our economy and into Saudi Arabia's economy.


    What sort of an uneducated gobsheen would think that sending money to Saudi is a good idea?



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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    The more tax we put on fuel the less fuel people will use.

    The less fuel people use the less money that gets sent out of our economy and into Saudi Arabia's economy.


    What sort of an uneducated gobsheen would think that sending money to Saudi is a good idea?



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    It is a FLAT TAX

    It punishes people of lower socio economic means in the name of Green Party voodoo politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greener View Post
    No strategy will be needed to get the Greens out in 2012. They will be lucky to return with one seat. Gormley,Cuffe,White,Gogarty, and one of Ryan or Seargent will go.

    Bye Bye Greens !
    Exactly!

    Everybody is focussed on getting rid of those pesky Greens.


    History has shown that getting rid of the FFailures is much harder, and we know from experience that FG and Labour just haven't got what it takes in that Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Exactly!

    Everybody is focussed on getting rid of those pesky Greens.


    History has shown that getting rid of the FFailures is much harder, and we know from experience that FG and Labour just haven't got what it takes in that Department.

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    One might suggest that if in 2002 Fine Gael had not been left in such a position of disadvantage, then they would have been in a position to mount a credible challange to government. Had the numbers been there, Gormley and Co would have sided with a FG/LAB/GP alternative coalition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Exactly!

    Everybody is focussed on getting rid of those pesky Greens.


    History has shown that getting rid of the FFailures is much harder, and we know from experience that FG and Labour just haven't got what it takes in that Department.

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    The Greens are the ones propping up the FF junta.

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