Green Social Dividend Clause in NAMA legislation.

[Christine Murray]

the legislation is to be debated in 48 hrs. l reckon the membership log on to the oireachtas site and read it. it is published. an oct 3rd meeting mentioned by a GP member is not pertinent to what is required by the parliamentary group this wednesday.

[Marascal]

In my OP I am referring to the addition of a Social Dividend clause, it beggars belief
that it has not been an issue before in terms of the long term goals of NAMA.

My comments are solely to do with the gap between the Parliamentary party and the
stated policy objectives of the Greens in terms of Planning, which are worthy
but not always attainable when acting as a Junior Coalition partner to FF
(whose planning is legendary, one need only look at the SIB, Adamstown
or the Late Mr Lawlor to understand this).

The Greens want Aaarhus (that was no longer available in 2006 when Mr Roche
brought in the Strategic Infrastructure Bill , which included elements of Aarhus).

Planning should take cognisance of the needs of a nation and not the wealth
of developers- the Greens have an uphill battle on the issue and the clause is
interesting but to advance it the party has to take hard decisions in whether
to support the existent programme for government (new one is not negotiated
yet) or to listen to a split grassroot on implementation/clause inclusion.

Greens calls for changes to Nama - The Irish Times - Mon, Sep 14, 2009

Dan Boyle was questioned by the membership on why Aarhus has not been implemented yet last Saturday. His reply was that there were a number of issues that the parlimentary team had to work through before they were able to pass it and those issues have now mostly been dealt with. Only one issue is outstanding and it is being worked on, once that blocker is out of the way it will go through. I don't have any more details than that as it was a random question from the floor.

I'm in agreement with you on the massively bad planning that has gone on in the past. The 80% windfall tax on rezoned land is an effort to try and stop the speculation which has caused a lot of this AND contributed enormously to the corruption of irish politics. Just to point out though, FF were not alone in what went on - FG and Labour have own their share of the blame for what was rezoned in the county councils.

[Marascal]

the legislation is to be debated in 48 hrs. l reckon the membership log on to the oireachtas site and read it. it is published. an oct 3rd meeting mentioned by a GP member is not pertinent to what is required by the parliamentary group this wednesday.

Just to clarify - the meeting is on October 10th. It is pertinent as without the support of the membership the NAMA bill will not be supported by the green TDs. Have you a date on when the bill will be voted on?

[Christine Murray]

debate is scheduled for wednesday of this week. l am unsure if it due to be passed soon as emergency legislation or if the vote will occur post-referendum.

[Christine Murray]

http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php...m-cod-or-fish/

[thedudeinthehat]

Any thoughts?

RESULT SUMMARY:

* NAMA with Green Party suggested modifications: 657 points.
* Scheme based on Sweden in the early 1990s: 563 points
* Let the market totally decide banks' fate: 411 points
* Original NAMA proposal: 387 points
* Totally nationalise the banks: 383 points
* Create a good bank: 369 points

NOTE RE VOTE-SCORING SYSTEM: Members are asked to rank the options by preference. Each preference is given a number of points. The number of points varies according to the number of preferences expressed on the ballot paper For example if a member chooses just one preference - marked 1 it is accorded just one point. But, if a member ranks all available options 1 to 6, then the first preference is worth six points, the second preference gets five points and so forth. In summary it is a form of proportional representation applied to a referendum.

[neiphin]

Any thoughts?

RESULT SUMMARY:

* NAMA with Green Party suggested modifications: 657 points.
* Scheme based on Sweden in the early 1990s: 563 points
* Let the market totally decide banks' fate: 411 points
* Original NAMA proposal: 387 points
* Totally nationalise the banks: 383 points
* Create a good bank: 369 points

NOTE RE VOTE-SCORING SYSTEM: Members are asked to rank the options by preference. Each preference is given a number of points. The number of points varies according to the number of preferences expressed on the ballot paper For example if a member chooses just one preference - marked 1 it is accorded just one point. But, if a member ranks all available options 1 to 6, then the first preference is worth six points, the second preference gets five points and so forth. In summary it is a form of proportional representation applied to a referendum.

who really cares ?, will the greens demand changes ?, doubt it, will the state be on a knife edge for weeks ? nope

this i believe to be a sham window dressing of a shower of spineless ********************es pretending to listen and do something

there long enough yet ?, if so take your pension and get the f--k off the stage

[thedudeinthehat]

who really cares ?, will the greens demand changes ?, doubt it, will the state be on a knife edge for weeks ? nope

this i believe to be a sham window dressing of a shower of spineless ********************es pretending to listen and do something

there long enough yet ?, if so take your pension and get the f--k off the stage

Any postive amendments to NAMA have come from the GP so far. expect more of the same on Wednesday. It really is a case of the minority partner leveraging to get real change. And also the kind of changes that the public at large are asking for. Not the window dressing you hint at.

All very positive evidence of the benefits of PR style elections and the morality windfall from having a Green Party in power. FG or Labour or SF dont offer these kind of outcomes.

[BodyofEvidence]

And what GP modiications will be acceptable? The only one thst counts is the price paid...

[irish_shrink]

ah ya ted, aren't you lot bloody grand altogether, seriously its time for the Green Party to do the honourable thing and just walk from government, long term its the only thing stopping electoral suicide