IDF kill Palestinians for their organs: Sweden's Aftonbladet

[whataday]

Oseh shalom bimromav
Hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu
V'al kol Yisrael
V'imru, v'imru amen.

Ya'aseh shalom, ya'aseh shalom
Shalom aleinu v'al kol Yisrael
Ya'aseh shalom, ya'aseh shalom
Shalom aleinu v'al kol Yisrael

[JCSkinner]

This is an English only forum.
Kindly take your Klingon somewhere else.

[Riadach]

Tell that to the Swedish foreign ministry spokeman:


This is about the verasity of the story, not criticism of the Israelis. Those who refuse to question the story (which pops up only after the New Jersey affair) are buying into it because it slanders Jews or they are a bit thick.

I am reminded of a simular story of Kosovans harvesting Serbian organs during the Serbs assault on Kosovo. Made Serbian national news and prompted a national inquiry in Serbia. Where did that inquiry lead? A few years later... nowhere. The hysteria and hate mongering served its purpose - that facts of the made up case, as ever, are irrelivent.

That came to my mind too. I think this is as the minister describes it, good old-fashioned blood libel. However, none of this dismisses the actually verified atrocities committed against Palestinians by Israeli armed forces in recent operations, or actual instances of theft of resources perpetrated by them. Neither would the reverse be true if it were Hamas who were accused of organ harvesting without basis.

[Electro]

I don't beleive that for a moment. They may conceal it from you but I can guarantee you that a significant number of leftist 'anti Zionists' are anti Semitic. At the end of the day it is an irrational thing anyway

It's not irrational at all, and if you are not intelligent enough to understand that leftist criticism of Israel is not at all "anti-Semitic", then that's your problem.

Leftists do not believe in race and nationhood as inviolable concepts. They see race and nation as constructs, that have the potential to be quite dangerous if taken too seriously.

Is it the case, Fr. Fahey, that you think leftists should offer Jews exceptional treatment? That it's fine if they denounce white ethnocentricism, but if they denounce Jewish ethnocentricism, oh no, we can't have that. Because Jewish ethnocentricism is "different".

Stop bringing up the "anti-Semitic lefties" red-herring, Ziobots. You are losing on that point.

[L'Chaim]

I remember last year or the year before, Crumlin children's hospital admitted they had removed organs from dead children and they gave tissues from the brains of dead children to pharmaceutical companies in return for donations from the same companies. Imagine the headlines that could have come from that "Ireland kills children for their organs". If Ireland was a Jewish state you can be sure that you would have had headlines like that, and most of the people on here, who are so quick to believe this of Israel, would be up in arms if the same was said about their own country.........and as it looks there would be a better case for saying it about Ireland if you were bigoted enough to want to go down that road.

This is a blood libel pure and simple. It's only a variation on the theme that Jews kill Christian children to use their blood in making Matzo. The fact that Jewish dietary laws says that the use of blood (human or otherwise) in cooking is prohibited, is ignored. But never let the truth get in the way of a good ol' blood libel. There's also been accusations that Jews kidnap non-Jewish children and sacrifice them for religious rituals. There's also been accusations that Jews drink and wash their hands in Muslim blood. And who can forget the Palestinian claim that Israeli doctors and nurses were injecting Palestinian children with the AIDS virus. Then they said that Israel poisoned pencils that Palestinian children were using in school. They are all variations of a centuries old belief, and bigots still believe them and thank other bigots for highlighting whatever is the new variation on a theme. And then of course you have the more 'learned' bigots who, while recognising these things are blood libels, still use it as an excuse to bash Israel or Jews anyway.

[JCSkinner]

The interesting thing about organ transplantation in Israel is that, while the medics admirably seek to treat all equally, the system and the region does not.
Due to Palestinian ambulances being regularly barred from crossing the apartheid wall, when they're not actually shot at by settlers or the IDF, very few Palestinians can access the transplant system.
However, other countries in the region do assist Palestinians by allowing them to access their transplant systems.
This means that, due in no fault to the medics involved, most transplant recipients in the territory of Palestine are Israeli Jews, who therefore claim more organs than they contribute.
Israel has ongoing major problems in relation to obtaining sufficient organs for their system. Rich Israelis have surfaced in a series of 3rd world countries seeking transplantation for cash, and one wonders whether those organs are being sourced ethically. There are suggestions in relation to India and China that they are not in those countries at least.
Aftonbladet is a serious and reliable news source. They have investigated this murky area and concluded that many people's worst suspicions are confirmed.
The resident Zionists on this site can spout all the nonsense about blood libels that they wish. This requires an immediate international inquiry.

[Thranduil]

I hope this story is false with all my heart, Israel doesn't help it's case by refusing to investigate abuses against Palestinians properly and by it's actions in Gaza which were wantonly homicidal, placing a very level on non-Jewish people as the testimonies of those soldiers showed - the goal was to minimise military casualties and civilians didn't matter, Israeli use of human shields, even children in widely known - all of which approximates to giving us an overall picture that suggests a low regard for the value of Palestinian human life. This story in particular is so horrible i would hope that it was false but i have also been troubled by the New York scandal involving Rabbis peddling in human organs sourced from God knows where, it is also true that the Israeli organ donation rate is only a tiny fraction of what is normal in Europe. I also have to add that these claims predate the New York organ scandal and the Swedish article.

In any event it was a brass-balls decision by the Swedish newspaper to run with the story, normally the method with mainstream media is to treat Palestinian allegations as biased hearsay and of no relevence from the outset, they knew beforehand the size of the reflexive pro-Israeli condemnation, threats and abuse (which would also be attached to Sweden because that is sometimes how the bullying works - to pressure the corporation they bully the country - when Ireland alleged Israeli involvement in an incident that killed Irish peacekeepers in Lebanon a number of years ago they ran articles about Irish historical antisemitism) they would face. The pro-Israeli PR machine is one of the most powerful in the world and has all the corporate media eating out of it's hand either voluntarily or they are frightened, so we cannot conclude that because only one newspaper alleged this that it is therefore false (as one poster suggested).

The 'blood libel' thing suggests a link between this and some medieval mindset based upon the idea of Jews drinking blood, but that doesn't address a specific issue involving specific Palestinians, specific allegations etc at all, we cannot say every time the Israelis spill innocent blood we must keep silent about it because to discuss it is 'blood libel' or we would then never report any killing the Israelis do and they do a lot! The whole world needs to take it's head outa it's ass as far as Israel is concerned and stop trembling in terror at the idea of criticising this country, Israel needs to be criticised for it's behaviour as much for it's own good when it does wrong, instead people are afraid of the powerful accusation of antisemitism - which is levelled not on merit but as a silencing bludgeon, it has gotten to the point that only other Jews may level criticism at Israel, so it is left up to the likes of Finkelstein, Gilad Atzmon and Pinter to speak out (and they get savaged in the process, picked apart as lone gazelle while the whole world cowers) but the logic of this if applied to a similiar situation, say colonial Britain in Ireland - would be that the rest of the world could not speak out in criticism of Britain, only a British person (who would then be bullied and defamed for the honour).

Still, Israel i seriously seriously hope you didn't do this... Doing this would be just about the most purely evil thing an individual (or country) could possibly do, say it ain't so?

[SevenStars]

I don't beleive that for a moment. They may conceal it from you but I can guarantee you that a significant number of leftist 'anti Zionists' are anti Semitic. At the end of the day it is an irrational thing anyway so you don't really get anyone outside of neantherdal skinheads willing to sit you down and say: "You know, I really don't like Jews."

However as the cartoons last year in Socialist Worker showed it is not only prevalent but even unthinking among many leftists. As a matter of interest Jim Larkin's newspaper used to publish anti semitic stuff as well.

The original Father Fahey believed that the movement of working class liberation was all a Judeo-Masonic plot and now you take his name and bash the left for being "anti-semitic" because it opposes the settler state?

[Clanrickard]

The editor of the story a man by the name of Donald Bostrom has said on Israel radio that he hadn't a clue whether the story was true or not.

Israel Furious Over Swedish Newspaper Article - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

Poor poor journalistic standards though that is not surprising from the Swedish left.

[lapsedmethodist]

I remember last year or the year before, Crumlin children's hospital admitted they had removed organs from dead children and they gave tissues from the brains of dead children to pharmaceutical companies in return for donations from the same companies. Imagine the headlines that could have come from that "Ireland kills children for their organs". If Ireland was a Jewish state you can be sure that you would have had headlines like that, and most of the people on here, who are so quick to believe this of Israel, would be up in arms if the same was said about their own country.........and as it looks there would be a better case for saying it about Ireland if you were bigoted enough to want to go down that road.

This is a blood libel pure and simple. It's only a variation on the theme that Jews kill Christian children to use their blood in making Matzo. The fact that Jewish dietary laws says that the use of blood (human or otherwise) in cooking is prohibited, is ignored. But never let the truth get in the way of a good ol' blood libel. There's also been accusations that Jews kidnap non-Jewish children and sacrifice them for religious rituals. There's also been accusations that Jews drink and wash their hands in Muslim blood. And who can forget the Palestinian claim that Israeli doctors and nurses were injecting Palestinian children with the AIDS virus. Then they said that Israel poisoned pencils that Palestinian children were using in school. They are all variations of a centuries old belief, and bigots still believe them and thank other bigots for highlighting whatever is the new variation on a theme. And then of course you have the more 'learned' bigots who, while recognising these things are blood libels, still use it as an excuse to bash Israel or Jews anyway.

It's only a blood libel if Israel the state is doing this. If there were to be unscrupulous people doing something like this, it's no longer a blood libel. The rabbis in New York are an example of what I'd consider unscrupulous. There's no hint of blood libel about any reporting of their behaviour as far as I know.