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That brings to mind Mary Arafat Robinson. I never liked her.
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No sorry. Genetics say that the palestinia population which inhabits Israel and the occupied territories, has for the most part been inhabiting that area for more than 2000 years. It leaves us to surmise that the majority Jewish population never actually left Israel entirely, many did flee, but the rest converted to Islam. Kinda puts pay to the whole 'they stole their land from us' argument, doesn't it?Originally Posted by yanshuf
No. the genetic facts are that this population was part of the area, Arabian peninsula, for more than 2000 years. Then they spread.No sorry. Genetics say that the palestinia population which inhabits Israel and the occupied territories, has for the most part been inhabiting that area for more than 2000 years. It leaves us to surmise that the majority Jewish population never actually left Israel entirely, many did flee, but the rest converted to Islam. Kinda puts pay to the whole 'they stole their land from us' argument, doesn't it?
Occupied Israel and other parts.
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No they aren't, though I see why you'd wish to believe that. In fact the Israeli who 'reclaimed' the land, have a much more diluted genetic connection to those Jews who inhabited the Levant 2000 years ago, than the Palestinian Arabs do.
Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaResults of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[12][96] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[12] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"[12]
While both the Palestinians and the world's distinct Jewish populations have mixed with invading and host populations respectively, Oppenheim's team found "that Jews have mixed more with other populations, which makes sense because they were more likely to leave the Levant.".[12]
I'll make it short:
The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East"The four Jewish communities grouped closely with Muslim Kurds and Turks"
"Jews were found to be even closer to populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to several Arab populations. It is worth mentioning that, on the basis of protein polymorphisms, most Jewish populations cluster very closely with Iraqis (Liv********************s et al. 1991) and that the latter, in turn, cluster very closely with Kurds"
"Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin differed from the other Middle Eastern populations studied here, mainly in specific high-frequency Eu 10 haplotypes not found in the non-Arab groups. These chromosomes might have been introduced through migrations from the Arabian Peninsula during the last two millennia."
"Historical records describe tribal migrations from Arabia to the southern Levant in the Byzantine period, migrations that reached their climax with the Muslim conquest 633–640 a.d.; Patrich 1995). Indeed, Arab-specific haplotypes have been observed at significant frequencies in Muslim Arabs from Sena (56%) and the Hadramaut (16%) in the Yemen (Thomas et al. 2000). Thus, although Y chromosome data of Arabian populations are limited, it seems very likely that populations from the Arabian Peninsula were the source of these chromosomes"
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Re Genetics says otherwise > Does anyone else find their eyes glazing over when scientific concepts are used in arguments like this? There should be a 'Godwins Law' type rule for scientific evidence says type arguments. The thing is, you can't blame science or scientists.......unless they have an agenda and build up a case for the result they want or were paid to find (black people have smaller brains than white people, and all that implied, being a case in point). But while science normally does is to try and develop understanding and knowledge of the world we live in, it is also one of the most abused and misrepresented things. And when science is abused and misrepresented to back up an opinion, then the problem is the dead end it always leads down. If the merits of people's arguments carried enough weight then they wouldn't need to abuse science. People who resort to that usually do it to score points in a quarrel rather than an exchange of ideas
A change of ideas with most leftists here is unobtainable.
Did you see my post about how I was censored by Duine n. on the Gaeilge board?
He refused giving an open debate about Beo- the Gaelic language online magazine, that since last November had 7 anti-Israeli articles.
He said that posting this fact, together with giving the links to these articles constitute a libel!!! Nothing less, and erased my postings, even when I reposted it in a question mark.
I'm amazed about the extent of political persecution in this site.
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Oh come on, we know for a fact many individuals, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhst Hindus and Samaritans converted to Islam to avoid Dhimmi status and the jizya in areas where conquests were made under Muslim leaders. It's hardly unlikely that Jews did the same. Why would the Muslims drive out/slaughter all the Jews, when they did not to the same to the Copts in Egypt, the Berbers/Cartheginians in North Africa, the Iberian/Celtic/Roman populations in Spain, or the Greek-Anatolians in Turkey? You're accusation of science abuse, is merely because the facts seem to support the parsimonal record, that many Jews converted to Islam, mixed genetically and assimilated culturally with many of the incoming Arabs and formed the Palestinian population today. It's you who are more than willing to ignore simple facts of Science in order to pursue an irrational ideaology.
Please elaborate rather than making it short. None of this proves that the ancestors of Modern Palestinians are not Jews living in Palestine 2,000 years ago, as asserted in the above article. Merely that they, like every other population that underwent Arab conquest, had an influx of Arab genes.
Coming from the Arab peninsula is proof enough for me.
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