Israel begins new settlement push

[jj_lighting]

Now about our rights to the territories - not only is it not occupied, it's legally ours, according to the League of Nations. It's not even a matter of historical rights, but legal rights!

So the 500,000 or so refugees whom the Israeli government created don't come in to the equation then. It's very hard to justify ethnic cleansing, isn't it????

[yanshuf]

joemomma:

The fact that some here claim it to be illegally occupied is indeed completely irrelevant. The fact that all arbiters of international law define it as illegally occupied is somewhat more relevant.

Also relevant is the fact that the League of Nations went out of business before Israel was even created, so any appeal to this body as a legal arbiter just sounds rather desparate.

The League of Nations resolutions are binding ones, according to the charter of charters of the UN that was created as a continuation of that body.

A resolution recognising the Jews' rights to this land can not be reversed by the UN after it had been accepted by the League of Nations, and that's why it's important.

So I guess it's not out of business after all.

Now about the illegality - the UN has never accepted the partition plan as a binding resolution because of the Arabs reluctance to accept it!

Even the so aclled 1967 borders are not borders but truce lines, which the Arabs never accepted as borders! So from here to say that those territories are occupied the way is far to the least and misleading to an extent it twists historical facts.

The fact is that according to the League of Nations (binding also the UN) the territories are part of the jewish land. There is no Palestinian entity, not even in the UN resolutions and all the rest are part of the "Israeli Palestinian peace process".

An illegal occupation did happen during the Jordanian rule of the territories, but yet, it's the most utopian one we could ever expect for those people living in Judea and Samaria.

jj_lighting

So the 500,000 or so refugees whom the Israeli government created don't come in to the equation then. It's very hard to justify ethnic cleansing, isn't it????

As soon as you'd recognise the 700,000 Jewish refugees from Arab and Muslim countries, I'll recognise those 500,000 you report, who BTW were called up on to leave their homes by the Arab leadership.

[White Horse]

As soon as you'd recognise the 700,000 Jewish refugees from Arab and Muslim countries, I'll recognise those 500,000 you report, who BTW were called up on to leave their homes by the Arab leadership.

Are you suggesting that if the 700,000 Jewish refugees are allowed to return to their original Arabs countries that Israel will allow the return of the 500,000 Arab refugees to Israel?

Is that Israeli policy?

[jj_lighting]

As soon as you'd recognise the 700,000 Jewish refugees from Arab and Muslim countries, I'll recognise those 500,000 you report, who BTW were called up on to leave their homes by the Arab leadership.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Oh i never said i didn't recognise Jewish refugees.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Peace will not come, not even if we give all of the "occupied" territory.

The main problem is Israel's existance. As as that is over, peace will prevail throughout the world - outside the Arab world and inside - there will be no more exploitation of women, no enslavement, no violence!

Now about our rights to the territories - not only is it not occupied, it's legally ours, according to the League of Nations. It's not even a matter of historical rights, but legal rights!

So the fact that some here claim it to be illegally occupied is completely irrelevant. To that extent it's as illegally occupied as Israel proper........A resolution recognising the Jews' rights to this land can not be reversed by the UN after it had been accepted by the League of Nations, and that's why it's important.

Where did the League of Nations give all that land to the Jews? It did not. Also, as the successor to the League, UN Security Council Resolutions supersede League of Nations resolutions just as they supersede earlier UN Resolutions. UN Security Council Resolution 242 must be implemented and the occupied lands of 1967 returned. And the League never said that 100% of Palestine = a Jewish state. A fact amplified by the refusal of the US to move its embassy to Jerusalem.

And they never really left, even during the Arab occupation there were jews in the country.

Like the ethnic-Armenians who still form a minority in Azerbaijan, once part of the ancient kingdom of Armenia? Should Armenia get Azerbaijan back? Should the Whites leave the US and hand their territory back to the Indians? Since you seem so keen on returning to the status-quo ante 2,000 years ago.

[FakeViking]

What I find amazing about this guy/girl is that on the one hand s/he can condemn the UN for disagreeing with Israeli terrorism, yet defend the their actions using the same UN as the justification!

[yanshuf]

Where did the League of Nations give all that land to the Jews? It did not. Also, as the successor to the League, UN Security Council Resolutions supersede League of Nations resolutions just as they supersede earlier UN Resolutions. UN Security Council Resolution 242 must be implemented and the occupied lands of 1967 returned. And the League never said that 100% of Palestine = a Jewish state. A fact amplified by the refusal of the US to move its embassy to Jerusalem

You decided it did not? How come you add things that do not exist? The general sense of the 242 resolution which is binding is that there will be a stick (not a carrot) to a state that attacks another state!!! That's the theme and it says - OCCUPIED TERRITORIES not THE occupied territories!

As the interpretation is the issue here - I maintain that what is substatioated here is right:

http://www.therightroadtopeace.com/info ... riefE.html

You don't have to accept it, but don't add stuff to other items not UN resolutions nor to others.

Like the ethnic-Armenians who still form a minority in Azerbaijan, once part of the ancient kingdom of Armenia? Should Armenia get Azerbaijan back? Should the Whites leave the US and hand their territory back to the Indians? Since you seem so keen on returning to the status-quo ante 2,000 years ago.

I don't try to involve in other people's problems. One thing I do know our problem today is an outcome of earlier actions, just as the Arabs existance here is a matter of earlier occupations.

Saying that, I should ask had the Spaniards had to reconquer their land after 800 years?

Why have the Chinese invaded Tibet? They don't even have a religious motive! Why have the Russians destroyed Chechniya? has it any importance - religious one - to them?

There's lots of not-religiously motivated occupations to give you to presume some "if questions". I don't see any direct connection between them.

Oh BTW not even between us and the NI problem - which strangely enough Gerry Adams who's here, does see?!

[joemomma]

The League of Nations resolutions are binding ones, according to the charter of charters of the UN that was created as a continuation of that body.

A resolution recognising the Jews' rights to this land can not be reversed by the UN after it had been accepted by the League of Nations, and that's why it's important.

What is your basis for stating that the UN cannot amend or reverse resolutions of the League of Nations?