Senior Brit officer killed in Afghanistan.

[lapsedmethodist]

The word you mis-spelt is Plebeian.

you are an anti intellectual Low brow Philistine.


the six is presently governed by the british government, stormont is a unionist sham.
the unionists are nothing more than an etnic MINORITY in Ireland they are entitled to eqaul citizenship as fellow Irish men if they choose, it is undemocratic for a minority such as unionists to hold a whole nation to ransom, it doesnt help when the 26 county adminstration dont have the backbone to confront the unionists and british on this matter instead preferring the role of lapdog, of which im sure you are part.

Rushed off to the dickshinary did you ? Heh !!

How are unionists an ethnic minority?

How are unionists called McCann, Kennedy , and so on an ETHNIC minority ?

Are you holding on to that bit of ignorance in the hopes of a bit of ethnic cleansing in the future?

People like you are a danger to the state. No wonder DeValera opened camps in Kildare.

[Mr Crowley]

Another ridiculous post to add your long shameful collection of dissident republican paranoia.

How so, point out what is ridiculous about it so that I can laugh at you, while I quote historical examples.

Did you ever think that's there's an awful lot of wedding in a war zone? Like, maybe,propoganda?

People get married all over the world in all kinds of conditions and the wedding bombings were accepted as such by the Brits and Americans....you know those incidents where they killed 30, 40 odd people including women and kids; the type of crowd you would get at a wedding.

[Aindriu]

You claimed that the Birt Army knowingly kill innocent people in Afghanistan - do you think they should be done for War Crimes as a result?

Did I bollix! Who are the Birt Army anyway?

What I DID say is that accidents happen in wars. Completely different entirely. Look up the meaning of ACCIDENT.

[IrishTom]

[quote=lapsedmethodist;1844109]Rushed off to the dickshinary did you ? Heh !!

How are unionists an ethnic minority?

very simple unionists claim there ethnicity is british but thelive in Ireland were we claim our ethnicity is Irish hence they are indeed an ethnic minority in Ireland no different to the nigerians and polish except in numbers that is.

so why should a minority be it etnicly or not be able to dictate the will of the majority it is simply undemocratic.

Are you holding on to that bit of ignorance in the hopes of a bit of ethnic cleansing in the future?

the only cleansing this nation needs is the cleansing of the lies free staters have peddled for the last 80 odd years, all to prop up there monopoly on power, spineless charlatans the lot of them.

People like you are a danger to the state. No wonder DeValera opened camps in Kildare.

thanks, ill take that as a compliment seen as the state has proven to be run by gombeens and lapdogs to the highest bidder.

we need a new form of governance in Ireland an accountable and just government answerable to the people.

[Gruffalo]

Just so the West Brit, state sponsored terrorism supporters can join in the mourning:

BBC NEWS | UK | Hundreds honour dead UK soldiers

Could you not make it Wiltshire today boys?

[Mr Crowley]

Did I bollix! Who are the Birt Army anyway?

What I DID say is that accidents happen in wars. Completely different entirely. Look up the meaning of ACCIDENT.

How do you accidentally bomb a wedding party though? You have to have recon assets providing the co-ordinates or lasing the target; therefore, they have to be close enough to the target to establish its nature. Add to that satellite imagery and feed from predator drones, kiowas, apache longbows, etc and it becomes even less forgivable. The decision to bomb or shell would have to be authorised at Brigade level at the very least, after all. That's a full colonel, a step above the boyo who inspired this thread.

[bobbysands81]

You claimed that the Birt Army knowingly kill innocent people in Afghanistan - do you think they should be done for War Crimes as a result?

Did I bollix! Who are the Birt Army anyway?

What I DID say is that accidents happen in wars. Completely different entirely. Look up the meaning of ACCIDENT.

You quite clearly state that the Brits know when there's innocents in an area that they bomb - please see your post below.

Now if you're right then surely this is murder and the people responsible should be done for War Crimes?

All coalition forces in Afghanistan are bound by an engagement of enemy policy when ordering airstrikes, artillery strikes etc. They MUST know the exact location where the taliban are and MUST know if civilians are in the area. Both facts are reported when the request is made and it is high level staff who then decide if the strike goes ahead.

[cactusflower]

The Brit Army would not do such a thing.

Laugh, my sides are still aching five hours after I read it.

They wouldn't bomb a shopping centre because they would aware of the risk of civilian casualties.

Stop it.... I'm in agony now with a serious stitch in the side...LOLOLOLOL

NATO are faced with Taliban hiding out in compounds and houses that may seem to be empty or about which they have limited information or are even fed bum information by enemies of the people amongst whom the Taliban are hiding.

A little conspiracy theory thing creeping in there I think...

As Aindriu has pointed out many missions are aborted because or the risk of civilian deaths. Some people on here just hate the UK and the US and will invent any ol cobblers to paint these two countries in a bad light.

Any old cobblers at all... Strange that the coalition forces aren't universally greeted with bouquets and thanks for their presence.

The Taliban would have very little support in Afghanistan if it wasn't for this kind of thing:

In a flash, Mr. Mohammed said, several American and Afghan soldiers kicked open the door of his home. The Americans, he said, had beards, an almost certain sign that they belonged to a unit of the Special Forces, which permits uniformed soldiers to grow facial hair.

“Who are you?” Mr. Mohammed recalled asking the intruders.

“Shut up,” came the reply from one of the Afghan soldiers. “We are the government.”

Mr. Mohammed said he was taken to a nearby base, interrogated for several hours and let go as sunrise neared.

When he returned home, Mr. Mohammed said, he went next door to his son’s house, only to find that most of his family had been killed: the son, Nurallah, and his pregnant wife and two of his sons, Abdul Basit, age 1, and Mohammed, 2. Only Mr. Mohammed’s 4-year-old grandson, Zarqawi, survived.

“The soldiers had a right to search our house,” Mr. Mohammed said. “But they didn’t have a right to do this.”

Bullet holes still pockmarked Nurallah’s home more than four months after the attack, and the infant’s cradle still hung from the ceiling.

The day after the attack, a senior Afghan official came to the door and handed Mr. Mohammed $800.

“If you spent some time here, you would see that we are not the kind of people who would get involved with the Taliban,” Mr. Mohammed said. “Anyway, what was the fault of the babies?”

American military spokesmen in Kabul, Washington and Tampa, Fla., the headquarters of Central Command, did not respond to requests for comment about the civilian deaths.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/wo...ghan.html?_r=1

The newly released United Nations report singled out Special Forces and other military units operating outside the normal chains of command, which, the survey said, frequently could not be held accountable for their actions.

Special Forces groups like Navy Seals and paramilitary units operated by the C.I.A. often conduct raids in Afghanistan, and often at night. Such groups typically operate outside the normal chains of command, which means that their presence and movements are not always known by regular field commanders.

The report also said the airstrikes that went awry were often those called in by troops under attack. Under such circumstances, some of the normal rules may not apply. Mr. Karzai has been especially critical of airstrikes, saying they are eroding public support for his government and for the effort to defeat the Taliban.

An American attack in the western Afghan village of Azizabad last August highlighted these tensions. An American AC-130 gunship struck a suspected Taliban compound, killing more than 90 people.

American commanders initially insisted that only five to seven civilians had been killed. But reporters visiting the scene saw evidence of a higher death toll, and a United Nations investigation concluded that about 90 civilians had been killed, about 75 of them women and children. The American military appointed a Pentagon-based general to re-examine the episode, and he concluded that more than 30 civilians had died.

Whatever their past crimes we are talking about the Pak-Afghan theatre where they are in the right and backed up with a UN mandate. I am also very proud to see our own troops helping out.

You are talking about peoples' home.

[Mr Crowley]

You are aware that Opium production is increasing? Are you now going to suggest that those fiendish Brits are allowing this so they can sell it themselves or perhaps make their troops high as kites?

They are, I'm sure conducting regular urinalysis of their troops but as for the production increase; it's happening on their watch, the British establishment has form in the opium trade and is certainly greedy and unscrupulous enough to be at it.

What about the fact that the aircraft are flown by US pilots and it is they who have the final say about munitions being released over the target?

They attack the targets that the Brits provide. The Brits do provide the targets, they are the ones conducting the surveillance after all.

Pilots have been instructed that if they are in ANY doubt over the target they do NOT drop munitions! It is called a safeguard.

And they are going to come down in low to take a look aren't they. That's a lame cop-out, the Brits provide the target data.

You also miss the point that the vast majority of Afghans WANT the ISAF troops in theatre becuse the alternative to them is HORRENDOUS! They know only too well what the Taliban are capable of as they have been there before. Village elders in villages and compounds suspected of aiding coalition forces are beheaded in front of the villagers. Teenage boys who do not grow beards are facially mutilated in front of their parents. Teenage girls and women who are caught not wearing the Burqa are stoned to death. FFS do I need to go on?

Been over to talk to the people of Helmand have you?
The rest of that post is just hysterical whataboutery. The Brits target weddings and oversee the opium production.

Hitler deliberately terror bombed British cities. What did you expect Britain to do? Nothing perhaps. You would probably have been quite happy to see Hitler on the shores of Waterford.

So we go with the 'Hitler did it so that makes it ok' defence?
Would that make it ok to gas people that you don't like?
100s of thousands of German civilians died when civilian areas were deliberately targetted by the British, often in the most sadistic and vindictive fashion....but it's ok because Hitler did it first.
I suppose the Dublin/Monaghan terror bombing can also be justified on the basis of the Nazis bombing Dublin and Belfast during the war?

[lapsedmethodist]

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we need a new form of governance in Ireland an accountable and just government answerable to the people.

The government as presently constituted is answerable to the people every five years.