Iranian Protests Another US Orchestrated "Color Revolution?"

[garlandgreen]

The regime may not fall over this. But it has severely overplayed it's hand by taking it's people for fools. It's so called "Revolutionary Guard" have been shown up for what they are. The armed wing of a paper racket that will crumble at the first sign of real opposition. This silly theocrat Khameini has looked increasingly more and more ridiculous the longer this has gone on. This might not be the end for him. But I think it is the beginning of the end

[Cael]

Oh. My. God. More Russians died in the civil war following the Bolshevik takeover than died in WWI. It must be sad always believing the left is always right and hating the US and seeing the dead hand of the CIA behind every unfortunate event.

And who started the so called civil war, which was anything but? The US landed 10,000 troops on Russian soil, the British a similar number. Both the Japanese and Germans sent thousands of troops. The Soviet Union was set back years by this barbaric invasion.

[fergalr]

Just to cut through the crazy, Salon.com has an excellent cheat sheet about who all the main players are and why they're on the sides that they are.

Who hates who in Iran | Salon News

Leon Pannetta wasn't mentioned, Cael. But Salon.com is probably a front organisation for the clandestine services.

[khavakoz]

And who started the so called civil war, which was anything but? The US landed 10,000 troops on Russian soil, the British a similar number. Both the Japanese and Germans sent thousands of troops. The Soviet Union was set back years by this barbaric invasion.

Wow - you really really have gotten all this form some secondary-school level textbook, haven't you?

Characterizing the Russian Civil War 1917-1921/23 as an 'invasion' is 1920-s era Soviet propaganda of the crudest form. The numbers of troops invested by the Allied and Central Powers in the conflict never got much above 100,000, and much of this, as you noted, was concentrated in the Far East -- where the fighting lasted longest but at a far lower level of intensity.

The Red Army numbered approximately three million, the White was slightly smaller at under two and a half million combatants. The contribution of the "barbaric invasion" was pathetic.

The Soviet Union was set back years -- but by the actions of both the Red and White armies. Almost thirteen million civilians are estimated to have died in Vladimir Illyich's "Great Moment". Both sides carried out massacres and pogroms, Trotsky's Cheka wiped out the entire farming peasant class in the Ukraine, which led to mass starvation.

Farms destroyed, bridges roads and railways, ports and cities had been devastated by seven years of total war. That's what set back the "Revolution", not the few tens of thousands of troops sent by the European Powers. Go learn your history from something other than Ladybird.

[cactusflower]

The CIA orchestrating anything these days is a laugh within itself. A bloated beaurocracy with too little credibility left to orgsnise a street party let alone the mass protests in Tehran. Is it beyond of wit of people to simply give the Iranians the credit of intelligence that they may realise that there country is going nowhere under this morabound dictatorship without concocting fantastical conspiracy theories?

You are perfectly well aware that its on the record that Bush authorised violent subversion in Iran. I have to assume that this post is "white noise".

[swansandtyphus]

I have no doubt whatsoever that the CIA and a host of other intelligence services have been giving money and assistance to the Iranian opposition. It is in their interests.
But the Iranian people themselves are the real driving force.
Millions of people are out the streets because they are sick and tired with the Iranian theocrats.
A generation of educated young people want a multi-party parliamentary system.
They saw how people power removed Musharraf, they can see how Iraqis have embraced the parliamentary democratic system, they saw how Ukrainianians, Krgystans, Thais, Kenyans, Zimbabweans and many others have used people power to confront autocratic rulers.

[code twinkle]

You are perfectly well aware that its on the record that Bush authorised violent subversion in Iran. I have to assume that this post is "white noise".

Yet there has been over a week of peaceful protest. Where is the CIA's violent subversion?

[cactusflower]

You perhaps need to read up on Iranian history. Those who topploed the Shah were themselves deposed by the Ayotollahs followers. It was not the intention of a great many Iranians for a theocracy to replace the Shahs monarchy. This opposition to the role of the theocracy is not only rooted in left wing political thinking in Iran, but enjoys a great deal of support among senior religous scholors in Qom, Irans religous centre, who have always questioned the right of the Ayotoillah to weild poltical power.

No one in Iran wants to abolish the state, that is a ridiculas concept. They simply want to change the way it is governed. Currently the regime in Iran is, by ignoring its own laws and constitution, essentially clinging onto power illegally.

Neither do you have any evidence that the people who have demonstrated en masse want to install the US approved regime of your dreams.

[cactusflower]

Yet there has been over a week of peaceful protest. Where is the CIA's violent subversion?

I don't think you can have been watching for the last three days. Peaceful protesting stopped days ago: there have been running street battles between young men, shootings and explosions.

[Clanrickard]

Yet there has been over a week of peaceful protest. Where is the CIA's violent subversion?

They must be losing their touch.