Liberal icon Obama covers up photos of "US soldiers raping prisoners"

[diddleydoo]

imokyrok...

It is obvious from the censorship that these photographs are horrific...

Secondly it is obvious that Obama is bringing no change... The word in Muslim circles is that if he was truthful about change he would go after the neocon war criminals who started the Iraq war in the first place after lying to the American people... Publication of these photographs would have showed that he actually cares for transparency and justice...

He talks about closing down Guan Bay yet at the same time orders 60 million dollars expansion of the notorious Begram Airbase in Afghanistan... Look at the mess in Pakistan where he has continued to order the bombing of civilians using the puppet regime of the country and drones...

what change was he talking about?

So you're into sadistic porn then? Why on earth would anyone want these pictures released....?

Is he denying that the pictures exist or that the acts took place?

You seem to have your head up your jacksee again my esteemed Dr. Afridi. How's your book going by the way? I'm also still waiting for your information on the adaptation of bacteria to antibiotics......

So patienty waiting......

Shane.

[Clanrickard]

When you're reduced to abuse rather than argument and information, your argument is nowhere.

When you make stuff up you deserve the mildest of mild abuse.

You're saying the British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook was a tin foil hat?

He was a very bitter man having been demoted by Blair. That may have coloured his judement.

I notice that you don't refute CIA and US special forces involvement in training jihadists - there are too many published leaks and sources there for you to get away with it.

You mean the training during the Afghan war. I don't refute that for a minute. The US was naive in the extreme and didn't know what they were letting themselves for

Cook identified Al Quaeda as “the database” of muslim fundamentalists who were available to work for the CIA. This is part of the article:

See above.

The rest of the article, along with other sources, is here:
Shaphan: G8bombings

Robin Cook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crimes of the State: Al Qaeda Ties to Western Intelligence Services

Far left conspiracy theorists. Try Al Qaeda by Jason Burke Jihad by Ahemd Raschid and a book by the former CNN correpondent of CNN in Afghanistan whose name escpaes me but you can google it. All reputable journalists who give good insight into Ossam and his gang.

[diddleydoo]

imokyrok...

It is obvious from the censorship that these photographs are horrific...

Secondly it is obvious that Obama is bringing no change... The word in Muslim circles is that if he was truthful about change he would go after the neocon war criminals who started the Iraq war in the first place after lying to the American people... Publication of these photographs would have showed that he actually cares for transparency and justice...

He talks about closing down Guan Bay yet at the same time orders 60 million dollars expansion of the notorious Begram Airbase in Afghanistan... Look at the mess in Pakistan where he has continued to order the bombing of civilians using the puppet regime of the country and drones...

what change was he talking about?

I agree.

Pi is still stuck at 3.14something, the speed of light has not changed measurably since he took office and as for the gravitational constant: Pffft.

I suppose some things just aren't conducive to change....

Shane.

[swansandtyphus]

The Americans backed Mashoud, the leader of the Northern Alliance faction of the mujihadeen, while the Pakistani ISI and Saudi intelligenced backed the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. When the Russian withdrew from Afghanistan, the US lost interest, while the Saudis and Pakistanis continued to fund their factions who ultimately took control when Mullah Omar captured Kabul in the mid 1990's.
The Carter, Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton and W. Bush administrations were almost totally ignorant or underestimated the threat from Al-Qaeda.
During the later years of the Clinton Presidency, huge focus was Northern Ireland and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
During the early months of Bush administration the focus was almost exclusively on US domestic politics.
You should read the Pulitizer prize winning book Ghost Wars which is a very accessible history of the rise of Islamic fundamentalist violenceover 60 years until 9/11.

[cactusflower]

I agree smithchy2. Only those who want to convince themselves of daft conspiracy theories could possibly say there was anything suspicious about his background. His first book couldn't be more open and displays a thoroughly decent man. Wish we had someone like him.

I hoped for change too. Unfortunately, its turns out not to be the kind of change I can believe in.

So far as transparency is concerned:

His college records and transcripts from Occidental College... sealed, not released.
His college records and transcripts from Harvard... sealed, not released.
His college records and transcripts from Columbia... sealed, not released
His former Client List at the Law Firm he worked for... sealed, not released.
His official birth certificate... sealed by the Governor of Hawaii, not released.

At Columbia he was selected for a group of 8 students to study sovietology by Bzrezinski. His mother studied Russian at University and worked for the Ford Foundation and the World Bank.

His first employment was at BIC, an economic information gathering firm publicised as a CIA front organisation long before Obama came along.

February 24, 2009 -- SPECIAL REPORT. Barack Obama's post-graduate CIA employment - Wayne Madsen Report

I could go on.

[The OD]

As I predicted, Obama wasnt going to do thing a whole lot differently. Bush and Bill Clinton were remarkably similar in many ways, but slick Willy and now Obama are much more charismatic.

Personally, I never had much hope of Obama being much different to Bush in many areas and he really cant do much anyway - not without getting shot that is.

I reckon we'll see an assassination attempt before the 4 years are out?

[cactusflower]

When you make stuff up you deserve the mildest of mild abuse.

He was a very bitter man having been demoted by Blair. That may have coloured his judement.



You mean the training during the Afghan war. I don't refute that for a minute. The US was naive in the extreme and didn't know what they were letting themselves for




See above.



Far left conspiracy theorists. Try Al Qaeda by Jason Burke Jihad by Ahemd Raschid and a book by the former CNN correpondent of CNN in Afghanistan whose name escpaes me but you can google it. All reputable journalists who give good insight into Ossam and his gang.

This comment Al Quaeda was a data base of US jihadist assets is plain rubbish.

I'm sorry, but until you can come up with something much better than "google a book" I'll be taking Robin Cook's word over yours. As UK Foreign Secretary of great personal repute he would have had a bit more information and integrity to hand than your "former CNN journalist".

[cactusflower]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zHJUKQBRJA]YouTube - C.I.A. Director Panetta Addresses The C.I.A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlHMNNmbiLk]YouTube - President Obama Addresses the C.I.A.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

Other investigations promise to keep the issue alive. The Senate Armed Services Committee plans to release its own report after two years of looking at the military’s use of harsh interrogation methods. And the Democratic chairmen of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees are pushing for a commission to look into the matter. At the same time, the administration faces pressure from abroad. Manfred Nowak, the United Nations’ chief official on torture, told an Austrian newspaper that as a party to the international Convention against Torture, the United States was required to investigate credible accusations of torture.

Others pushing for more investigation included Philip D. Zelikow, the former State Department counselor in the Bush administration. On his blog for Foreign Policy magazine and in an interview, Mr. Zelikow said it was not up to a president to rule out an inquiry into possible criminal activity. “If a Republican president tried to do this, people would be apoplectic,” he said.

The release of the photographs is a difficult issue. The wishes of the people who were tortured should be respected. In the event of a trial, they should clearly be seen by jurors.

The justification by Obama for not releasing them seems to be that if people really knew what the US forces had been doing, it would influence their actions.

[imokyrok]

I hoped for change too. Unfortunately, its turns out not to be the kind of change I can believe in.

So far as transparency is concerned:

His college records and transcripts from Occidental College... sealed, not released.
His college records and transcripts from Harvard... sealed, not released.
His college records and transcripts from Columbia... sealed, not released
His former Client List at the Law Firm he worked for... sealed, not released.
His official birth certificate... sealed by the Governor of Hawaii, not released.

At Columbia he was selected for a group of 8 students to study sovietology by Bzrezinski. His mother studied Russian at University and worked for the Ford Foundation and the World Bank.

His first employment was at BIC, an economic information gathering firm publicised as a CIA front organisation long before Obama came along.

February 24, 2009 -- SPECIAL REPORT. Barack Obama's post-graduate CIA employment - Wayne Madsen Report

I could go on.

Ahh CF - the whole world has seen that birth cert multiple times by now! I couldn't care less about his college transcripts and that link you give is members only and just states the following:

publication date: Feb 24, 2009
Obama worked for one year for a company linked to CIA non-official cover (BOC) activities

So not exactly mind-blowing evidence. In any case if true so what! I really don't get your problem here.

Obama is not the messiah. He is simply a humane man who hopefully will do the best he can under the circumstances he finds himself in and he will make mistakes but he seems to have no problem admitting when he gets things wrong. It's not even been six months yet. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Clanrickard]

The word in Muslim circles is that if he was truthful about change he would go after the neocon war criminals who started the Iraq war in the first place after lying to the American people...

What Muslim circles would these be?