pete2No they call a democratically elected leader like Chavez a dictator because they dont suck up the US and the big corporations. Yet ThacOman supports the Murder regime of ColombiaToo funny. Thac0man, Clanrickard are a problem because they call a dictator a dictator.
Excuse me? A proven allegation? Once an allegation is proven it becomes a fact, not an allegation. And we are talking about a legal case are we not? So what verdict has been delivered in this legal trial? And when did it take place?Originally Posted by merle haggard
I see merit in some of what is being claimed, if it were true. But as Merle has demonstrated, those claims seem to point to motivations others than the welfare of the poor. Mass political indocternation is not education in the sense of betterment or enlightment. It is political indocternation and behind that there is always someone who benefits, and it never the indictornated.
As I have said before, I see much merit in the resources of a country being used to the maximum benefit all of its citizens. Buts thats not whats going to happen is it? The process of nationalistion has been so badly mismanaged that the Venezuelan economy was heading for a brick wall even before the Global Credit crunch. Why? Because of cronyism. And it is for that same reason, cronyism, that Chavez cannot enact efficiencies. Therefore he nationalises more industries to get a short term boost to his flagging Nationalised sectors while alloting blame (hence deflecting it from his own governments mismanagement).
Can that situation continue for much longer? Ironically it can continue only as long as the resources that Chavez has not nationalised continue to present profit that can be plundered to shore up the Venezuelan exchequer.
The plain fact is no action Chavez has taken has halted the economic decline his polices have induced in the Venezuelan economy. He has time and again waved the big stick of nationalisation (read centralisation) naming profiteering as the reason and justification. Yet when private sectors are nationalised and that huge profiteering is removed... why has there been no immiediate and long term benefit to the Venezuelan economy? Things only get worse. The figures don't lie.
A sadder fact is that his policies were only possible when rich capitolist nations (booh! hiss!) were able to fund it by paying top dollor for Venezuelan oil.
I know it's true what he has done for those people. I know a lot about Caracas, my brother's girlfriend is from there, he goes there every year for two months. She grew up in the kind of poverty that has been unseen in Ireland in decades, she was given chances in life that she never would have had under the opposition or under Chavez's predecessors. She now has a degree, is fluent in several languages,and has a bright future as a journalist. She is no stooge of Chavez's, she is quite prepared to speak out against him when she thinks he's wrong, but she's well aware that but for him she would be still stuck in the barrio. She is one of many,many people who would be worth less than dogs to the alternative on offer. So, forgive me, but for all his faults, I'm not listening to any of these attacks on Chavez. If the alternative were some hippy-dippy lib-dem style social democrats then I might buy some of those arguments, but it isn't. The alternative is, quite frankly, evil.
So, you are simply clamping your hands over your ears and singing la-la-la at the top of your voice. Well at least if you squeeze you eyes shut too you won't see the obvious coming.
The "evil" alternative you speak of is competant stewardship of the economy on behalf of all the people by people who are capble, not just loyal to the party. But you seem unwilling to even contemplete that. Ho-hum.
Well I for one hopes he nationalises ALL industry in that country, and places them in the democratic control of the workers,w ho will operate the factories on a democratic basis on behalf of the Venezualan state.
This is a very positive development IMO
Yeah.... because that worked so well in Russia.
Who else would he have a defense pact with? America? Yeah yeah have a defense pact with the nation that has tried to remove you from power. That's smart. Is he squandering wealth on Russian (does the fact they are Russian make them MORE evil and spooky?) submarines or is he attempting to secure the defense of his country against US "Intervention"? Economic warefare? Ha, if that's what he considers economic warfare the US could teach him a thing or two.
And so on, ad nauseum.
@Peter (see what I did there) the fact Chavez is elected is of no consequence, he could still be a dictator. It's the amount of power which defines this role rather than how that power was obtained. As oft. pointed out, Hitler was indeed elected, he became a dictator when he took supreme executive power of the country. This is why Chavez ISN'T a dictator. He does not have the requisite power to be described as such, no matter what "dictatorofthemonth.com.rightwingmouthpiece.or g) might say, as reputable a website as it may be. . . (I made a funny ¬__¬ )
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Like any socialist Chavez, Morrales & co. spending today without any plan to sustain the system over time, spending money is a lot easier than earning money.
Indeed. interesting article here (feb 2009). Features some predictions that Venezuela will be bankrupt by years end 2009. I don't think it will happen that fast, but it will happen.
here:
Dropping oil prices pinch Venezuela's economy | GlobalPost
Another interesting claim is this:
..... which explains the sudden need to nationalise those 'other' companies that do business with PDVSA.Signs that Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the national oil company, is struggling with its finances emerged earlier this month: It delayed payment of $8 billion to other companies.
Other interesting claims are the effects of massive inflation on Venzuelas poor (28% at last pre-2008 inflation count figures) and that Venezuela imports 70% of its food.
There has been talk of devaluing the Bolivar. How long can Chavez hold out and will that just make and turn around longer?
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