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Thread: Chávez, Extending Control, Seizes Assets of Oil Contractors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Oh he'll "deal" with them as all thugs do. Doesn't matter what evidence you advance the cappuccino left looooooove Hugo because he cocks a snoop at the US. That is far more important than trivialities like his people's welfare.

    By "Peoples welfare" - you mean the welfare of the shareholders in Shell, Total, Enron, Halliburton....

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    What a great man elected by the people even after the Americans as usual tried to get him kicked out. Fair play to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusflower View Post
    By "Peoples welfare" - you mean the welfare of the shareholders in Shell, Total, Enron, Halliburton....
    I took "people's welfare" to mean the welfare of everyone, not just those who are happy to have every single aspect of their lives dictated to them by a megalomaniacal socialist dictator-in-waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    Its a vicious circle. The oil industry itself sees production fall off, so control is extended to subsidiary industries to bolster flaging state performance in the sector. But if past evidance is anything to go by that extension of control will lead to even greater inefficiency, not lower costs. The sort term gain of this is to negate the effects of production loss, not correct that core problem causing it. Long term though, it might only make things worse.
    Apparently, the State Oil company can't pay the service companies, so he's solved the problem by bringing them under state control.One problem, the service companies sell know how and high tech equipment, they have no fixed assets in Venezuela so if they don't get paid, they'll leave and if they leave, production will fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusflower View Post
    By "Peoples welfare" - you mean the welfare of the shareholders in Shell, Total, Enron, Halliburton....
    No his own people. Who are suffering as his ill conceived economic lunacy leaves them broke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    No his own people. Who are suffering as his ill conceived economic lunacy leaves them broke.

    The price of oil has dropped with the slump. Perhaps we could have done with some more of Chavez type of lunacy, that has kept some natural resources in the hands of the Venezuelan people, and less of our own type, which has left us bankrupt many times over, with our resources given away to multinational corporations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Apparently, the State Oil company can't pay the service companies, so he's solved the problem by bringing them under state control.One problem, the service companies sell know how and high tech equipment, they have no fixed assets in Venezuela so if they don't get paid, they'll leave and if they leave, production will fall.
    Another problem with bringing them under state control is that it doesn't solve the first problem at all. All they are now doing is using the country's reserves to pay. The reserves of the nation are now down by over half and falling, a massively unstainable economic plan if ever there was one.

    But what's worse here is that since Chavez started his "revolution" his control over people's lives had grown and grown. So much so that everyone in venezuela is dependent on his government for survival, from clothes, income, food, education, everything! His absolutely criminal management of the economy is running though the nation's finances and once there is nothing left there is nothing left. The people left behind will have no means of support whatsoever, having been totally dependent on the government for handouts, and then what happens?

    Of course this is in total contrevention to the long held socialist belief that anybody who isn't a rabid leftie doesn't care about people, evidence of this in cactusflower's naive and somewhat insulting comment above.

    It's ridiculous, this man being lauded as a hero by illinformed ideology blinded lefties is a criminal of the highest order, he has scant regard for democracy and is creating what will be one of the most damaging crashes in the country's history and nobody is coming to help because he's alienated Venezuela. When it all goes tits up, and it will, I won't be smiling when I say I told you so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Another problem with bringing them under state control is that it doesn't solve the first problem at all. All they are now doing is using the country's reserves to pay. The reserves of the nation are now down by over half and falling, a massively unstainable economic plan if ever there was one.
    Its fairly standard for Sth. America, Peron did the same in Argentina years ago, of course, its all the Yankee's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Yes, now it's time for Venezuelans to be f*cked over by their own.

    A change, as they say, is as good as a rest.
    Ah yes, being f*cked over with free education, free healthcare, and a chance to rise beyond the barrio gutter. The sheer horror of it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Ah yes, being f*cked over with free education, free healthcare, and a chance to rise beyond the barrio gutter. The sheer horror of it....
    I'm sure Mugabe promised his supporters all the same would arise from his land acquisition programme A dictator is a dictator, left or right.
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