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About LinkBacksExcellent speech, it just goes to show what a disgrace of a media we have in this country.
Excellent speech, it just goes to show what a disgrace of a media we have in this country.
The delusion is yours. Anybody who could accept anything from that source at face value really should not be allowed out. As for that "rant" of mine ........it never happened, but of course you know that.Originally Posted by Skin
And it shows what a discrace our education system is that it produces people who can believe one word of what he says
Right, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But this topic is about the Iranian leaders speech.
So can you show me anything from that speech that is anyway comparable with the stuff you put up from the ex-muslim guy?
And why should I not accept that speech at face value?
You mean apart from his oft repeated call for Israel to be wiped off the map ?
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Sorry, I cant actually see that in the speech that we are talking about, that this thread is about - so you have failed to answer the question. Did you even read the speech?
Trampas has a certain soapbox that he doesn't seem to be able to disentangle from.
It's tragic really. Surgeons think it could be as tough to separate conjoined triplets as it is to stop Trampas ranting off topic.
Fact.
Thanks you for posting the actual speech. All i've read in the papers/news is the headline of people walking out, without finding out what he actually said!
Is that speech what all the fuss is about? yeh ok it's his opinion and it gets a little heated, but hardly worth the 'walking out because of racist rant' headline!.
I honestly didn't see it as a rant, and i don't personally like Ahmadinejad (Khatami was much better!), but i genuinely fail to see 'racism' anywhere. The speech definately doesn't read like that! (after going over it twice!!)
However!! And it's an important one.. i would have walked out over his religious/spiritual 'vision' for the world (a load of trite. I have eye-strain from rolling them so much!!).
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." – George Bernard Shaw
and he actually toned down what he said from what his prepared speech text.
What does the Irish President spend their time doing. Work in progress
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Clanrickard says: Let's dissect that speech shall we.......
1. Innocent people were taken captive in their millions and separated from their families and loved ones to be taken to Europe and America under the worst conditions.
No mention of the fact that many many more taken to Islamic countries
Many, many more? And you’re proof of this whataboutry is?
and indeed that slavery is sanctioned in the Quran.
As it is in the Bible:
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters ...
2. The victorious powers called themselves the conquerors of the world while ignoring or down treading upon rights of other nations by the imposition of oppressive laws and international arrangements.
No they gave us the Geneva conventions, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and a strong body of international law which his regime has been to the fore in ignoring or transgressing.
Errr…strong body of international law? Well holy torture memos Batman, but where is or was this law in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Palestine, East Timor, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Chile, El Salvador, Cuba or Ireland (to name just a few places)? And where was this international law when the CIA and MI6 conspired to overthrow Iran’s parliamentary democracy in 1953?
3. Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering and they sent migrants from Europe, the United States and other parts of the world in order to establish a totally racist government in occupied Palestine.
No they didn't.
So where did the Israelis get all their guns, planes, tanks, ammo and support from to kill and pogrom Palestinians from 1948 to present?
In fact the British tried to stop Jews from entering Palestine.
Pure optics! Armed mighty power that Britain was, they were (wink, nod) beaten out of Palestine by a bunch of displaced European refugees with limited weapons and resources…yet the British were able to violently stop and evict all the heavily armed Argentine soldiers and sailors from staying and entering the Falklands.
The foundation of Israel had nothing to do with the security council as he suggests.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 62, adopted on November 16, 1948, decided that in order to transition from the present truce established by United Nations Security Council Resolution 54 to a permanent peace an armistice would be established in all sectors of Palestine. The council called upon all the parties directly involved in the conflict to seek agreement with the Acting Mediator over the delineation of permanent armistice demarcation lines beyond which none of their armed forces would move and to a reduction of their forces as to ensure the maintenance of the armistice during the transition to permanent peace in Palestine. (my emphasis).
4. defending those racist perpetrators of genocide Agree or disagree with Israel but by no stretch of anyone's imagination can their treatment of the Palestinian people be called genocide.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. And speaking of international law: “While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1]”Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
5. also want to lay emphasis on the fact that Western liberalism and capitalism has reached its end since it has failed to perceive the truth of the world and humans as they are
Because Islamic countries have sooooo much more to offer.
And what Islamic country has invaded and occupied Europe or North America?
6. World Zionism personifies racism that falsely resorts to religions and abuses religious sentiments to hide its hatred and ugly face. However, it is of great importance to bring into focus the political goals of some of the world powers and those who control huge economic resources and interests in the world. They mobilize all the resources including their economic and political influence and world media to render support in vain to the Zionist regime and to maliciously diminish the indignity and disgrace of this regime.
Speaking of the KKK they'd be embarrassed with this level of bigotry.
So how does calling a political movement racist make one a bigot? And recall that even the UN ruled that “Zionism is racism.”
No mention of the maltreatment of women, no mention of the maltreatment of the Bahai, no mention of hanging homos in Iran. No siree it's all the Jooooooos fault.
Nope, all the European and American nations fault for permitting racist Zionism to take hold and prosper in the Middle East. No way the Zionists could or can do it without the help and support of these countries.
Worse still people like you see nothing wrong.
No doubt because people like you aren’t very convincing.
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