What Ahmadinejad actually said!

[DaveSlats]

Has anybody else noticed that when Roy Keane grows his grey-flecked beard he looks the double of Ahmadinejad?

Seriously.

[L'Chaim]

Loopy L'Chaim says

What is it you want to know about the 56 war?

How was Israel's national security threatened by Egypt's fight with the British & French?
And before you answer, read this:

The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression,[3] (Arabic: أزمة السويس - العدوان الثلاثي‎ ʾAzmat al-Sūwais/Al-ʿIdwān al-Thalāthī; French: Crise du canal de Suez; Hebrew: מבצע קדש‎ Kadesh Campaign, or מלחמת סיני Sinai War) was a military attack on Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel beginning on 29 October 1956.[4][5] The attack followed Egypt's decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam.[6]

Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course Israel had every intention of returning the lands won in 67,

Action speaks louder than words and inaction speaks even louder.

except for east Jerusalem.

It's always exceptions for you and yours because your Bible says your God's chosen people. LOL!

The Israelis

You mean Europeans and Americans.

see that as a liberation.

From the Romans? Because they were the last people to take it from the Hebrews

That's been annexed and is now part of Israel.

As are the rest of the West Bank settlements, Jewish-only roads and walls of Apartheid.

From Aug 67 right up to the present day Israel has been trying to negotiate peace agreements that would see these lands returned.

That's a lie and you’re a liar.

As recently as 2000 Arafat pulled out of negotiations right at the moment peace agreements and treaties could have been made,

That's only because Israel wanted him to give up even more of the post-1967 lands taken by Israel because as your friend Yanshuf has already pointed out here: the initial 1948-49 taking wasn't enough for Israel.

so where are you getting this idea that lands were only being offered in return for peace in 67.

You just said this yourself, see five lines up from here.

Your "that was then, this is now" point is moot.

Only if Israel has no intention now of giving these lands back as you say they did in 1967. LOL!

And don't be so naive to think that Egypt dropped its claim to Gaza and Jordan dropped its claim to the West bank, in favour of the palestinians. If they wanted to do the palestinians a favour Egypt would have included Gaza in their peace agreement when lands were returned and Jordan would have made an agreement that included the West bank. Then they could have given the lands to the Palestinians. Fact is they weren't giving up claim to those lands in favour of the palestinians. They gave up claims to those lands in order to wash their hands of the Palestinians

So you think Egypt and Jordan gave up their claims in favour of Israel? Don't be so delusional!

How was Israel's national security threatened in 56? Well first off Egypt's President Nasser was talking to Israel through a mediator and Nasser was talking peace. However he was just trying to lull Israel, when in fact he wasn't serious about peace at all. On April 5 1956 Egyptian artillery bombarded Israeli settlements in the Negev. Egyptian mortar fire was directed at israeli army patrols who were monitoring their side of the border. Attacks by Egypt against Israel were commonplace between April 56 and Egypt nationalising the Suez canal. Then Egypt refused Israeli ships to use the canal. They were also blocking the straits of Tiran, which effectively blockaded Israel's most southern port, Eilat. By August Nasser's speeches were becoming more and more extreme in their hatred of Israel, threatening its annihilation. The closing of the straits of Tiran was preventing merchant ships from reaching Eilat. The nationalising of the Suez canal, in conjunction with an Egyptian economic boycott of Israel was preventing ships bound for Tel Aviv or Haifa from using the canal. Egypt was trying to strangle Israel economically. And while all this was going on Egyptian military attacks were still being carried out against Israel. And in October 56 Egypt started to move troops and weapons into the Sinai. The weapons, supplied by Russia were up to date and effective. Israel was in no doubt that Egypt was about to invade Israel. Israel, at that time, was feeling very isolated and threatened. The fact that Britain and France were seriously considering military action against Egypt over the nationalisation of the Suez canal, was very welcome news to israel indeed.

Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? I never once argued the 'chosen people' concept. And israel had every intention of returning lands it won in 67. So far it has returned over 80 or 90% of the land it won then, in return for peace agreements. So it's not "a lie" don't call me "a liar" when I say that Israel has been trying to negotiate peace in 'land for peace' agreements. Try and have some manners when you are posting.

And I'm not saying that Egypt and Jordan gave up their claims to Gaza and the West Bank as a favour to israel. No more than they gave up those claims as a favour to the palestinians, as you seem to think. They gave up their claims to those lands in order to wash their hands of the Palestinians

[MMR]

MRI



Fortunately enough it held not just water but reality too, when the League of Nations accepted the connection between the Jews and their homeland.

Since then it holds no water in some circles that try to undermine Jewish rights to their land (= antizionist and anti-israeli tendencies).



Writing from Jerusalem, and most people in this city do think like me. Compared with those leftist thinking habits, I think we had enough of foreign "peace" makers who brought nothing more than a chain of disasters.


tell that to your Arab friends.

Just saw this.
You are just not listening. You are making assumptive leaps. You will never get anywhere with your tautological, self-perpetuating arguments. Never.

[SonnyLaymatina]

How was Israel's national security threatened in 56? Well first off Egypt's President Nasser was talking to Israel through a mediator and Nasser was talking peace. However he was just trying to lull Israel, when in fact he wasn't serious about peace at all. On April 5 1956 Egyptian artillery bombarded Israeli settlements in the Negev. Egyptian mortar fire was directed at israeli army patrols who were monitoring their side of the border. Attacks by Egypt against Israel were commonplace between April 56 and Egypt nationalising the Suez canal. Then Egypt refused Israeli ships to use the canal. They were also blocking the straits of Tiran, which effectively blockaded Israel's most southern port, Eilat. By August Nasser's speeches were becoming more and more extreme in their hatred of Israel, threatening its annihilation. The closing of the straits of Tiran was preventing merchant ships from reaching Eilat. The nationalising of the Suez canal, in conjunction with an Egyptian economic boycott of Israel was preventing ships bound for Tel Aviv or Haifa from using the canal. Egypt was trying to strangle Israel economically. And while all this was going on Egyptian military attacks were still being carried out against Israel. And in October 56 Egypt started to move troops and weapons into the Sinai. The weapons, supplied by Russia were up to date and effective. Israel was in no doubt that Egypt was about to invade Israel. Israel, at that time, was feeling very isolated and threatened. The fact that Britain and France were seriously considering military action against Egypt over the nationalisation of the Suez canal, was very welcome news to israel indeed.

Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? I never once argued the 'chosen people' concept. And israel had every intention of returning lands it won in 67. So far it has returned over 80 or 90% of the land it won then, in return for peace agreements. So it's not "a lie" don't call me "a liar" when I say that Israel has been trying to negotiate peace in 'land for peace' agreements. Try and have some manners when you are posting.

And I'm not saying that Egypt and Jordan gave up their claims to Gaza and the West Bank as a favour to israel. No more than they gave up those claims as a favour to the palestinians, as you seem to think. They gave up their claims to those lands in order to wash their hands of the Palestinians

How was Israel's national security threatened in 56? Well first off Egypt's President Nasser was talking to Israel through a mediator and Nasser was talking peace. However he was just trying to lull Israel, when in fact he wasn't serious about peace at all.

This has the same ring to it as: “If they run – their VC, and if they stand still – they’re just well-disciplined VC.”

On April 5 1956 Egyptian artillery bombarded Israeli settlements in the Negev. Egyptian mortar fire was directed at israeli army patrols who were monitoring their side of the border. Attacks by Egypt against Israel were commonplace between April 56 and Egypt nationalising the Suez canal.

You’re being economical with the truth once again:

Another turning point for Nasser came in February 1955 when he became convinced that Egypt had to arm to defend itself against Israel. This decision put him on a collision course with the West that ended on the battlefields of Suez a year later. In February 1955, the Israeli army attacked Egyptian military outposts in Gaza. Thirty-nine Egyptians were killed. Until then, this had been Israel's least troublesome frontier. Since the end of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Egypt's leaders, from King Faruk to Nasser, had avoided militant attitudes on the ground that Israel should not distract Egypt from domestic problems. Nasser made no serious attempt to narrow Israel's rapidly widening armaments lead. He preferred to spend Egypt's meager hard currency reserves on development.

Israel's raid on Gaza changed Nasser's mind, however. At first he sought Western aid, but he was rebuffed by the United States, France, and Britain. The United States government, especially the passionately anticommunist Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, clearly disapproved of Egypt's nonalignment and would make it difficult for Egypt to purchase arms. The French demanded that Egypt cease aiding the Algerian national movement, which was fighting for independence from France. The British warned Nasser that if he accepted Soviet weapons, none would be forthcoming from Britain.

Rejected in this shortsighted way by the West, Nasser negotiated the famous arms agreement with Czechoslovakia in September 1955. This agreement marked the Soviet Union's first great breakthrough in its effort to undermine Western influence in the Middle East. Egypt received no arms from the West and eventually became dependent on arms from the Soviet Union.

Egypt Israel Gaza Raid 1955


Then Egypt refused Israeli ships to use the canal.

This started in 1948. So how does that justify invading Egypt in 1956?

They were also blocking the straits of Tiran, which effectively blockaded Israel's most southern port, Eilat.

And this started in the early 1950’s, so how does that justify invading Egypt in 1956? Wasn’t the entire Mediterranean Sea open and available to Israel shipping? Israel was hardly surrounded and being choked off like Israel is doing to Gaza today.

By August Nasser's speeches were becoming more and more extreme in their hatred of Israel, threatening its annihilation.

He must have read the Talmud. LOL!

The closing of the straits of Tiran was preventing merchant ships from reaching Eilat. The nationalising of the Suez canal, in conjunction with an Egyptian economic boycott of Israel was preventing ships bound for Tel Aviv or Haifa from using the canal.

Tel Aviv and Haifa are on the Mediterranean coast. So this is hardly cause for war.

Egypt was trying to strangle Israel economically.

And not succeeding…because they didn’t surround Israel like Israel surrounds Gaza.

And while all this was going on Egyptian military attacks were still being carried out against Israel.

Well…that’s to be expected when Israel attacked Egyptian military outposts in Gaza in February 1955.

And in October 56 Egypt started to move troops and weapons into the Sinai.

Errr…the Sinai was then and now Egypt…so they would have had a right to move troops and weapons within their own country just as all countries have that right.

The weapons, supplied by Russia were up to date and effective.

And they were supplied by Russia because England and France wouldn’t sell them any.

Israel was in no doubt that Egypt was about to invade Israel

This is Zionist propaganda for starting the War. Hitler said same about Poland before he attacked there in 1939.

Israel, at that time, was feeling very isolated and threatened.

You mean rabid and opportunistic.

The fact that Britain and France were seriously considering military action against Egypt over the nationalisation of the Suez canal, was very welcome news to israel indeed.

No doubt.

Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? I never once argued the 'chosen people' concept.

It clearly underlines all your dishonest Israel-first agenda here.

And israel had every intention of returning lands it won in 67.

You just can’t stop lying.

So far it has returned over 80 or 90% of the land it won then, in return for peace agreements.

Translation: Israel is keeping the rest.

So it's not "a lie" don't call me "a liar"

You’re a stinking liar.

when I say that Israel has been trying to negotiate peace in 'land for peace' agreements. Try and have some manners when you are posting.

You’re a fine one to talk about manners as Israel pogroms Palestinians, confiscates their lands and continues building Jewish only settlements and roads throughout the West Bank and East Jerusalem. At least your bun buddy Yanshuf is honest about not giving any of that land back.

And I'm not saying that Egypt and Jordan gave up their claims to Gaza and the West Bank as a favour to israel. No more than they gave up those claims as a favour to the palestinians, as you seem to think. They gave up their claims to those lands in order to wash their hands of the Palestinians

Wash their hands of the Palestinians? Why - because they weren't Egyptians or Jordanians? LOL! Moreover, this is an interesting choice of words for quit claim deed title to the Palestinians, but then again, what more could anyone expect from the likes of you?