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    AIPAC itself was run in the early days by a couple of unremittant zionists- can't quite recall whether they were a husband and wife team but I do recall them being mentioned by Gore Vidal in his book of essays up to the 1970's. And I recall his warnings about AIPAC as well as corporate America and its influence on foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Chaim View Post
    And that's exactly it in a nutshell. Not a peep when other lobby groups are lobbying, but people do seem to get their knickers in a twist when it comes to Jews
    When other lobby groups are lobbying, they are not lobbying for a country (the only country on earth) that deliberately murders defenceless children.
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    And other interests lobbying in Washington are not quite as prepared to scream that they are being discriminated against should their 'lobbying' not be accepted immediately as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limerick Lad View Post
    It's an undisputed fact that Jewish Nation originated and lived in Judea where modern day Israel is situated now, it's not some biblical fairy tale as you seem to claim. The Roman occupation of Judea led to the loss of a homeland for the Jewish people until it was restored to them after World War Two.
    What about the Khazars???

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    Therein lies a tale yet again of a certain strand of Khazar bringing down hatred on the whole Jewish tribe.

    As I understand it the Khazars moved into the Ukraine (from Turkey?) by buying up discounted land from Polish nobles who had been given lands and serfs in the Ukraine and then started in on the rackrenting in the same way gombeen agents did for absentee landlords in Ireland.

    There were perfectly innocent Jewish people living in the Ukraine who got caught up in the emerging hatred for the Khazars and of course the inevitable happened and all Jews became hated in the region.

    Hence the Ukrainian pogroms in later years. I suppose some fervent zionist will be along in a minute to say that Ukrainians just decided to hate jewish people for no apparent reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordGod Almighty View Post
    If one is to examine the region on the basis of ownership from 2,000 to 3,000 or more years ago the region was inhabited by many different tribes and hundreds of petty fiefdoms none of which are recognisable in either the map today or in 1948. Jews are entitled to live there by tradition but certainly have no legal claim at all to a separate state and the only claim they make is for a 'kingdom of David' for which there is no historical evidence at all beyond a claim in a book which also contains erotic poetry.

    Native Americans would have a better claim to be handed back the entire United States because we at least know they were the only demographic present on the North American continent at the time.
    North American (Indians) already live in North America. Try as you might there are no equivalents to the Jewish story and the closest is probably the Tamils,who are both a religion and an ethnicity, who are spread - a bit but not much - outside their homeland and have been historically discriminated against.
    When the Moabite people, who, having carefully maintained the Canaanite religion and ethos over the centuries in their diasporas in China and Mexico, start demanding a return to their homeland in the Middle East, then they'll have a reasonable claim. But they don't exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by LordGod Almighty View Post
    Therein lies a tale yet again of a certain strand of Khazar bringing down hatred on the whole Jewish tribe.

    As I understand it the Khazars moved into the Ukraine (from Turkey?) by buying up discounted land from Polish nobles who had been given lands and serfs in the Ukraine and then started in on the rackrenting in the same way gombeen agents did for absentee landlords in Ireland.

    There were perfectly innocent Jewish people living in the Ukraine who got caught up in the emerging hatred for the Khazars and of course the inevitable happened and all Jews became hated in the region.

    Hence the Ukrainian pogroms in later years. I suppose some fervent zionist will be along in a minute to say that Ukrainians just decided to hate jewish people for no apparent reason?
    complete load of bo**ocks.
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    Well done Tim. Care to give me the 'correct' version of events involving Khazars in the Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordGod Almighty View Post
    Well done Tim. Care to give me the 'correct' version of events involving Khazars in the Ukraine?
    you know that the whole "khazar" thing is widely disputed, and was designed by antisemites to delegitimise Jews as a middle eastern people. You just need to look at the kind of people the theory is popular amongst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbloc View Post
    Excellent documentary about this taboo subject. It includes input from people on all sides of the discussion. The big question is whether 'The Lobby' is only allowed influence so long as its interests coincide with US interests, or whether Israel is effectively controlling US foreign policy in the region

    The Israel Lobby. Portrait of a Great Taboo

    Note: the narration is in Dutch but all of the interviews are conducted in English so don't be deterred by the Dutch language introduction (two/three minutes approx).
    It is a good documentary, but the conclusion that the last speaker makes is wrong (or dated), that 'America is Israel's only friend in the World.'

    I believe that Israel (and the Ziono Grindos) have devoted a lot of effort to building an alliance with China, particularly over the past couple of decades.

    They view a powerful China as a neutralising ally against the Islamic World, and have therefore helped to facilitate China's Global expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Johnston View Post
    you know that the whole "khazar" thing is widely disputed, and was designed by antisemites to delegitimise Jews as a middle eastern people. You just need to look at the kind of people the theory is popular amongst.
    Knew there'd be someone along to characterise me as antisemitic sooner or later for speaking of a version of events in the Ukaine that certain Ashkenazi would rather be portrayed as a pogrom-from-nowhere.

    and was designed by antisemites to delegitimise Jews as a middle eastern people. You just need to look at the kind of people the theory is popular amongst
    What's your version of what happened in the Ukraine and the reasons underlying a sudden rise of antisemitism there?

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