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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    I do care that there is a son, brother, freind, ex-work colleague who was killed in one of the most brutal ways imaginable.
    It is sad tale, and a tough way to go, but lets face it, I know of people in accidents every week in Ireland who didn't have the luck to go so quick as Mike Dwyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    I do not beleive that any poster here, from right to left to centre, has a right to speculate while the investigation is going on. You all have your views based on your world-view, and like it or not, you only make decisions based on your perception of what is true, not on what might actually be true.
    WTF? Of course we have the right to speculate! We should however do it with a certain level of decorum.

    Does anyone have more info on Zoltan Brady? is he half Irish or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Set Straight View Post
    To be honest, I'm fed up of you people trying you link Michael to Nazi's when he isnt.
    Yet again you misread my prior posts. Yet again I now state that my prior post concerned a symbol on the Irish Bulletin Website and its similarity to that on the Wiki page I gave a link to - I wasn't going or about nor did I mention any connection between that and Mike Dwyer. And read back to my earlier post when I specifically stated at the end that this was what I was referring to and specifically stated also that I was not making inferences regarding Mike Dwyer in such post.

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    The more information emerges about Mike Dwyer and the other four members of group, the more I am convinced that the Bolivian police operation was based on a combination of ineptitude, faulty intelligence and political pressure. It is also clear now that the operation was illegal (a fact denounced by the Bolivian 'College of Lawyers', the equivalent of our Law Society).

    Eduardo Rozsa Flores had some extreme views about a wide range of issues, and was a very passionate individual. But he was, primarily, a journalist and writer. In recent years he was involved in film making, and had stated that his reason for returning to Bolivia was to work on a new film.

    If he had been plotting to assassinate Morales or other Bolivian politicians, the composition of this group would make little or no sense.

    Magyarosi Arpad, also shot dead, was a 28 year old singer and poet. He had participated in fundraising for the Special Olympics in Hungary. His videos can be found on YouTube, e.g.:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tn9RTZ2JPo]YouTube - Magyarosi Árpád - Próbáld meg[/ame]

    One of the detained men, Mario Tadic (like Mike Dwyer and Magyarosi Arpad, he appears as a friend on Flores' Facebook page), is 58 years old. He has told police that he was hired to look after correspondence.

    The other detained man, Elod Toasó, had worked in a bank's IT department.

    Eduardo Flores himself was almost 50 years old. His days as a fighter in the Balkans were long past.

    This group makes far more sense as an amateur film crew, brought together by an ageing idealist with romantic notions.

    Mike Dwyer, the youngest member of the group, may well have been taken on board as 'security man', or a kind of 'factotum'.

    The key issue, to my mind, is that no member of the group had the skills necessary for a military operation that would involve confronting the entire State security apparatus of Bolivia. The only two with any military experience (Flores and Tadic) were late middle-aged men. Neither the singer nor the computer geek had any known experience of guns or explosives. Mike Dwyer's brief experience as an Airsoft enthusiast (just a step or two above paint-balling) hardly qualified him as a potential assassin.

    A key piece of evidence, I believe, are Mike Dwyer's recent holiday photos (I posted a few several pages back, but nobody commented). Eduardo Rozsa Flores even appears in one of them. In these photos, neither Mike Dwyer nor any of the people he is pictured with look remotely like mercenaries plotting to assassinate anyone. It even looks as if Mike Dwyer was travelling with an Irish (or Irish-looking) girlfriend, and she too is pictured with Eduardo Flores. There is nothing secretive about any of this. The photos are even accessible on his Facebook page.

    The fact that Eduardo Rozsa Flores has Mike Dwyer, Mario Tadic and Magyarosi Arpad as Facebook friends is another indication that this group was anything but secretive.

    The police say that the group was under surveillance, and was constantly moving from place to place. Mike Dwyer's holiday photos even chronicle those moves. Having myself travelled around South America (including Bolivia) on several occasions, I now shudder to think how my own 'constant moves' could have been misinterpreted!!

    Many other aspects of the incident (lack of evidence for a shoot-out, hotel Manager's evidence that the group was in residence at the time of the explosion at the cardinal's house, illegality of the police operation, etc.) have been discussed elsewhere.

    My own guess is that, following Evo Morales' claim that there were assassination plots, the assault on the Cardinal's residence brought pressure on the Federal authorities in La Paz to produce culprits. Sketchy local police reports of a group of men travelling around the country, and arriving at a hotel in Santa Cruz shortly before the incident at the cardinal's house, may have sparked a panic reaction in La Paz, and the Special Forces unit was dispatched to Santa Cruz. They appear to have acted impetuously, without the necessary judicial authorization, and without any prior investigation. The Special Forces entered the hotel convinced that they were about to confront a group of dangerous mercenaries, and that was that! Hence, their shoot-to-kill policy.

    In fact, the group comprised two almost-elderly former Balkans combatants, a singer, a computer geek and Mike Dwyer! This was no assassination squad! I am convinced that they were hired, haphazardly, by Eduardo Rozsa Flores as part of a film-making project in his native Bolivia. It looks like Bolivia was the wrong place at the wrong time for all of them! Given the political tensions, it was not a time for a group of amateur film makers to be travelling around the country without arousing suspicions.

    At this stage, many pieces of the puzzle remain missing. But I will be very surprised if further investigations do not point in the above direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utopian Hermit Monk View Post
    The more information emerges about Mike Dwyer and the other four members of group, the more I am convinced that the Bolivian police operation was based on a combination of ineptitude, faulty intelligence and political pressure. It is also clear now that the operation was illegal (a fact denounced by the Bolivian 'College of Lawyers', the equivalent of our Law Society).

    Eduardo Rozsa Flores had some extreme views about a wide range of issues, and was a very passionate individual. But he was, primarily, a journalist and writer. In recent years he was involved in film making, and had stated that his reason for returning to Bolivia was to work on a new film.

    If he had been plotting to assassinate Morales or other Bolivian politicians, the composition of this group would make little or no sense.

    Magyarosi Arpad, also shot dead, was a 28 year old singer and poet. He had participated in fundraising for the Special Olympics in Hungary. His videos can be found on YouTube, e.g.:

    YouTube - Magyarosi Árpád - Próbáld meg

    One of the detained men, Mario Tadic (like Mike Dwyer and Magyarosi Arpad, he appears as a friend on Flores' Facebook page), was 58 years old. He has told police that he was hired to look after correspondence.

    The other detained man, Elod Toasó, had worked in a bank's IT department.

    Eduardo Flores himself was almost 50 years old. His days as a fighter in the Balkans were long past.

    This group makes far more sense as an amateur film crew, brought together by an ageing idealist with romantic notions.

    Mike Dwyer, the youngest member of the group, may well have been taken on board as 'security man', or a kind of 'factotum'.

    The key issue, to my mind, is that no member of the group had the skills necessary for a military operation that would involve confronting the entire State security apparatus of Bolivia. The only two with any military experience (Flores and Tadic) were late middle-aged men. Neither the singer nor the computer geek had any known experience of guns or explosives. Mike Dwyer's brief experience as an Airsoft enthusiast (just a step or two above paint-balling) hardly qualified him as a potential assassin.

    A key piece of evidence, I believe, are Mike Dwyer's recent holiday photos (I posted a few several pages back, but nobody commented). Eduardo Rozsa Flores even appears in one of them. In these photos, neither Mike Dwyer nor any of the people he is pictured with look remotely like mercenaries plotting to assassinate anyone. It even looks as if Mike Dwyer was travelling with an Irish (or Irish-looking) girlfriend, and she too is pictured with Eduardo Flores. There is nothing secretive about any of this. The photos are even accessible on his Facebook page.

    The fact that Eduardo Rozsa Flores has Mike Dwyer, Mario Tadic and Magyarosi Arpad as Facebook friends is another indication that this group was anything but secretive.

    The police say that the group was under surveillance, and was constantly moving from place to place. Mike Dwyer's holiday photos even chronicle those moves. Having myself travelled around South America (including Bolivia) on several occasions, I now shudder to think how my own 'constant moves' could have been misinterpreted!!

    Many other aspects of the incident (lack of evidence for a shoot-out, hotel Manager's evidence that the group was in residence at the time of the explosion at the cardinal's house, illegality of the police operation, etc.) have been discussed elsewhere.

    My own guess is that, following Evo Morales' claim that there were assassination plots, the assault on the Cardinal's residence brought pressure on the Federal authorities in La Paz to produce culprits. Sketchy local police reports of a group of men travelling around the country, and arriving at a hotel in Santa Cruz shortly before the incident at the cardinal's house, may have sparked a panic reaction in La Paz, and the Special Forces unit was dispatched to Santa Cruz. They appear to have acted impetuously, without the necessary judicial authorization, and without any prior investigation. The Special Forces entered the hotel convinced that they were about to confront a group of dangerous mercenaries, and that was that! In fact, the group comprised two almost-elderly former Balkans combatants, a singer, a computer geek and Mike Dwyer! This was no assassination squad! I am convinced that they were hired, haphazardly, by Eduardo Rozsa Flores as part of a film-making project in his native Bolivia. It looks like Bolivia was the wrong place at the wrong time for all of them! Given the political tensions, it was not a time for a group of amateur film makers to be travelling around the country without arousing suspicions.

    At this stage, many pieces of the puzzle remain missing. But I will be very surprised if further investigations do not point in the above direction.
    How many amateur film makers do you know are in posession of Uzi sub machine gun, 9mms, sport SS tatoos and the leader of these groups of 'amateur film' makers state that he was going to Bolivia to fight the "Communist government". Not to mention Dwyer who was working for a Galway based security company who sent him to Bolivia.

    I simply dont buy the 'amateur film maker' nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggressivesecularist View Post
    More speculation.
    In the absence of hard information, speculation is all that is possible at this early stage.
    But I believe my speculation, based on the available facts, makes more sense than some of the wild (not to say defamatory) accusations made in some earlier posts. If I were a member of Mike Dwyer's family, I would be considering legal action against several posters and/or p.ie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    How many amateur film makers do you know are in posession of Uzi sub machine gun, 9mms, sport SS tatoos and the leader of these groups of 'amateur film' makers state that he was going to Bolivia to fight the "Communist government". Not to mention Dwyer who was working for a Galway based security company who sent him to Bolivia.

    I simply dont buy the 'amateur film maker' nonsense.

    In my travels around South America, I met many groups (some just regular tourists) who carried weapons, and were even advised by local travel agencies to do so. Carrying most such weapons is entirely legal in Bolivia and some other South American countries. I never carried weapons, but I can recall many nervous moments driving along dirt tracks in remote areas.

    The report that appeared in some newspaper about Mike Dwyer being sent to Bolivia by a Galway-based security company has not been backed up by hard evidence. Nobody has even identified the company in question. It is possible that Mike Dwyer himself may have said something vague about going to Bolivia for training (which makes little or no sense!) in order to justify his trip. In fact, like many young people heading off on such trips, he may simply have wanted to spread his wings and see the world.

    The film-making project was mentioned by Eduardo Rozsa Flores himself to both friends in Hungary and family members in Bolivia as his reason for returning there after many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggressivesecularist View Post
    More speculation.
    Correct, but at least Utopian Hermit Monk's striving to objectively assess and make sense of the available facts in a rational manner; rather than the unobjective irrational attempts by others whose primary concern is to fit everything conveniently into their indoctrinated state.

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