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    Quote Originally Posted by Set Straight View Post
    In no photo of Mike Dwyer is he holding a "gun" or is he with a group of "underground mercenaries". it is in fact these intentional misinterpretations that will slow the finding of the truth. Regards his tatoo, your comments are strained and pointless.
    If I am to be objective here, I must assess the evidence in its entirety. The interest in guns (and I wasn't referring to the pictures of him) is beyond dispute. The tattoo, whether intended or not, clearly looks like it includes the letters 'SS'. And the pics of the A-Team are not there by chance. What I will grant you, however, is that this is merely circumstantial. It is also indicative of a mindset that isn't uncommon among young men, particularly those seduced by a certain 'glamour' prevalent in films he watched about tight-knit and secretive groups of men. That attraction is ten-a-penny among young men in their teens and twenties.

    However, it is all irrelevant to the main point. I don't know what he was up to or why he was there with those other people, he might have been up to no good, or he might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. None of that matters if he was set up to be killed and that the official version of events is made up. From looking at the evidence so far, I simply do not buy the official version, I believe they were marked out to be killed in advance and were then woken up and killed without a struggle. If I am correct then the Irish Government has to speak up, this man was an Irish citizen. So I'm with you entirely in my scepticism on what happened the other morning. But I'm not beatifying the fellow, I'm keeping an open mind on what he was doing there.

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    No one needs to cannonise the young man to insist that his murder was wrong.

    I hope those who so willingly accept the Morales Government version of events do not travel abroad.....after all would they have good reasons or accept that they could be shot and postumously labbeled as terrorists
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    If I am to be objective here, I must assess the evidence in its entirety. The interest in guns (and I wasn't referring to the pictures of him) is beyond dispute. The tattoo, whether intended or not, clearly looks like it includes the letters 'SS'. And the pics of the A-Team are not there by chance. What I will grant you, however, is that this is merely circumstantial. It is also indicative of a mindset that isn't uncommon among young men, particularly those seduced by a certain 'glamour' prevalent in films he watched about tight-knit and secretive groups of men. That attraction is ten-a-penny among young men in their teens and twenties.

    However, it is all irrelevant to the main point. I don't know what he was up to or why he was there with those other people, he might have been up to no good, or he might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. None of that matters if he was set up to be killed and that the official version of events is made up. From looking at the evidence so far, I simply do not buy the official version, I believe they were marked out to be killed in advance and were then woken up and killed without a struggle. If I am correct then the Irish Government has to speak up, this man was an Irish citizen. So I'm with you entirely in my scepticism on what happened the other morning. But I'm not beatifying the fellow, I'm keeping an open mind on what he was doing there.
    I accept your open mind, but in knowing his past, i can assure everyone that he was not a "gun nut" or a "Neo Nazi" in fact he was not strongly politically aligned whatsoever.

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    Also has anyone commented on the weapons found. Allot of them are Russian sub machine guns from the second world war!!!

    The Taliban have better hardware than that, those guns look like a history museum piece.

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    "I accept your open mind, but in knowing his past, i can assure everyone that he was not a "gun nut" or a "Neo Nazi" in fact he was not strongly politically aligned whatsoever."

    Don't say that! They'll tell you he was hiding it or as a facist he wouldn't have much interest in politics. The facts are simple. The account by the Morales Government has more holes in it than a a pair of 1970's nylons.

    Must be doubly horrible for his family that he was killed and now is being made into a monster.
    Right is right but Left is wrong. Why do some countries need walls to keep people OUT and others walls to keep them in. Go figure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Set Straight View Post
    Also has anyone commented on the weapons found. Allot of them are Russian sub machine guns from the second world war!!!

    The Taliban have better hardware than that, those guns look like a history museum piece.
    You would want to look back to who armed and trained them.
    From page 14 - Spies, Lies and the War on Terror (Todd, Bloch and Fitzgerald,2009):
    " Despite the chaos attending the end of the Afghan War, the CIA and their congressional backers maintained the flow of arms and money to the Afghan mujahideen for a further two years after the January 1989 Russian withdrawal. The final instalment - some 200 million dollars in the Defense Appropriations for FY in 1992 - was augmented by a large shipment of Soviet-era weaponry captured after the 'Desert Storm' Iraq campaign (source: George Crile -'My Enemy's Enemy)."

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts

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    I think there are too many questions about this, looks to me like he was wrong place at the wrong time

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    Those friends of this young man who have posted on here in his defense would do well to not take many posters here seriously, Posters such as crowley and merl Haggerd, along with others Delight in making offensive comments and insulting the Dead.
    You would be wise to pay no attention and console yourselves with the thought that no one takes these people seriously, they are pretty sick.
    I am sorry you lost your friend, please don't let any fool with a computer upset you. I'm sure his family will come to apreciate how liked he was and how you defended him, but you are arguing with people without compassion.
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    It turns out they were shot dead while unarmed in their beds! Some assasination attempt that was. No assault on the hotel. No grenades. In fact the 'large cash of weapons' attributed to them were not in the hotel but many miles away. And how were these weapons connected to them? I'm sure the Coca chewing El Presidente Morales will tell us. They also say in La Prensa newspaper that he fought in the Balkan conflict. When he was 11? Hardy boy! I suppose it is not surprising that a tin pot government like Bolivia will try to lie to us but what about the utter muppets who are taking what they say as gospel. Fools who try to manufacture a 'British Army' history for Michael Dwyer and who see SS symbols in tattos. Maybe they should try some ink-blot tests with some psychiatrists. It seems like they need it. And take El Presidente Morales with you, he can dry out from his drug addicted coca-chewing habit which he is seeking to normalise. Hardly surprising since he was a coca farmer before his election. He wants the world to decriminalise coca production, how does that compare with the 'crime' of driving a BMW?

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