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Thread: Irish 'involved' in Bolivia 'assassination attempt'

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelporgotbanned View Post
    What a stupid boring thread, I mean out of all the countires in the world, why would anybody care about Bolivia? I mean Bolivia, come on how boring! And 400 plus pages on it
    The same could be said about this banana republic with a population and landmass similar to Jamaica

    Try reading some of the thread, it may help you stop posting crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Well I don't believe the Bolivian police...

    And in a Western democracy, blah blah...
    Belief or disbelief were not questioned. What was questioned is why "extra-judicially execute" 3 and keep 2 alive to tell the story. I see such small matters don't bother your belief system.

    As to Western democracies, Bolivia was never one, and it's highly unlikely it will become one in the foreseeable future. It was, I could argue, one of the factors that enabled the conditions that resulted on their apearance, namely because it was from Bolivia that was extracted the silver that fueled the industrial revolution.
    Google Potosi.
    Silver that was extracted with the slave labor of the ancestors of those that today reclaim their own land. An unforgivable sin, in Western democracies eyes, as the two other historical sinners in the region, Haiti and Paraguay might testify, or as more recent sinners, Cuba and Venezuela, might also attest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelporgotbanned View Post
    I am no longer jelpor. I am now jelporgotbanned
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    Congratulations on your new name. Looking forward to your future new sufixes

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    Quote Originally Posted by estouxim View Post
    Belief or disbelief were not questioned. What was questioned is why "extra-judicially execute" 3 and keep 2 alive to tell the story. I see such small matters don't bother your belief system.

    As to Western democracies, Bolivia was never one, and it's highly unlikely it will become one in the foreseeable future. It was, I could argue, one of the factors that enabled the conditions that resulted on their apearance, namely because it was from Bolivia that was extracted the silver that fueled the industrial revolution.
    Google Potosi.
    Silver that was extracted with the slave labor of the ancestors of those that today reclaim their own land. An unforgivable sin, in Western democracies eyes, as the two other historical sinners in the region, Haiti and Paraguay might testify, or as more recent sinners, Cuba and Venezuela, might also attest.
    Well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeswideopen View Post
    You seem very very upset about these mercenary bombers getting shot. No such concern for the Trade Unionists who have been shot dead by Micheletti's supporters in Honduras.
    Well I don't agree with what happened in Honduras but Zelaya was violating his own constitution by attempting to run for another term. In any case, the Honduran people have just elected another president and that supersedes such concerns.

    The story here is one of a mercenary army being raised to manufacture a civil war through bombings and shootings. You don't seem concerned about how many would have died, or the increased poverty that would have resulted.

    The walls of Dwyers hotel room had several bullet holes in it and the tv screen also had a bullet hole in the video taken immediately after the deaths.

    Where did they come from and how does it fit in with the account of Dwyer being shot on his bed from above by a single bullet. Where are the pictures of the bed with blood on it?
    Well Prime Time showed two photographs of one of the Flores corpse. One was bloody and the other showed the scene wiped of blood. The normal preservation of evidence found in Western democracies was not present at the scene. It has all the hallmarks of extra-judicial, politically-motivated executions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post

    Well Prime Time showed two photographs of one of the Flores corpse. One was bloody and the other showed the scene wiped of blood. The normal preservation of evidence found in Western democracies was not present at the scene. It has all the hallmarks of extra-judicial, politically-motivated executions.

    Correct, though if anyone had it coming Flores did. If they were executed (and they almost certainly were, as I have been saying here since the week of the deaths), then that was utterly wrong and can not be justified morally. But the level of vileness to which these violent racist cockroaches were prepared to stoop, fomenting civil war in order to create an apartheid state and impoverish the rest of the country, means I feel no pity for them.

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    Well done the Bolivian police.

    I fully support the way they dealt with these fascist mercenaries.

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    QUOTE=FutureTaoiseach;2320781]Well I don't agree with what happened in Honduras but Zelaya was violating his own constitution by attempting to run for another term. In any case, the Honduran people have just elected another president and that supersedes such concerns.
    Everyone apart from a couple of souls on P.ie knows it was illegal - both the coup and the eleciton.

    Well Prime Time showed two photographs of one of the Flores corpse. One was bloody and the other showed the scene wiped of blood. The normal preservation of evidence found in Western democracies was not present at the scene. It has all the hallmarks of extra-judicial, politically-motivated executions.
    The Prime Time programme, so far as it went, was good. Next time you go and try to arrest someone known for sleeping wiith an automatic weapon cradled in his arms, let me know how you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeswideopen
    The Prime Time programme, so far as it went, was good. Next time you go and try to arrest someone known for sleeping wiith an automatic weapon cradled in his arms, let me know how you do.
    Hearsay.

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    Anyone knows if the documentary is available online?

    I haven't seen this mentioned here but there is another recent case that has some similarities with Dwyer.
    I'm refering to the D.R. Congo trial of two Norwegians, one actually is a Brit-Norwegian, both with military background, both with a private security background, that aparently decided to establish themselves as new age mercenaries in an oil rich disputed area between Uganda and D.R. Congo. They became news again yesterday as it was noticed by most global media chains that their appeal against death conviction for the murder of their congolese driver. They were also charged with espionage.
    Thir defense, if I recall well, was that the reason for their african adventure was to establish a kind of paintball disneyland for rich enthusiasts of war games.
    An older report on that case can be found here.

    Any theories on that?

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