Irish 'involved' in Bolivia 'assassination attempt'

[angry irish]

The Examiner article suggests he may have had some military background possibly with British Army, I'm sure those that knew him and were on here would have mentioned that if it were true would they not?

iv known him for 8 yrs i think i would have noticied if he ran off to join the british army!! thats a load of crap like really where do the papers get these stories from next they'll be saying he lived in the woods in tipperary and thats where he practised his army training. freaking pathethic, these is a case of a corrupt government trying to gve that there have been attempts on the presidents life. i bet if they had known he was irish this never would of happened to him.

[dotski_w_]

He's friends with neo-fascists and people who glorify the Nazis, Mussolini etc.

He's got videos praising Franjo Tudjman etc.

He condemns the Israeli occupation? I wonder what could possibly motivate that...

If you're happy to leave a message of condolence for someone like that, then there's no point in engaging any further.

In fairness, he does appear to have been a pretty complicated character, and anything could come out of this. However the case that he could not have been involved has not been sucessfully made, to put it mildly.

[Thac0man]

a. being against one side in a war doesn't make one a pacifist (he also condemned Serbian agression when fighting with the croats, presumably,

b. much of the blog isn't in English. you've been given examples of stuff which appears inconsistent with his alleged pacifism

Much of it is in english, and his message is clear. And B, the balkans war was over 20 years ago. You think someone cannot become a pacifist in that time frame? His record, which few can compare to, speaks for itself.

The evidance in Bolivia shows three men murdered. Not in a battle, but in their own Hotel rooms, in their underwear and unarmed. Two of them might not have even known Flores. As cock ups, go this is a big one for the Bolivian authorities. Even now they can't get their story streight.

[dotski_w_]

Much of it is in english, and his message is clear. And B, the balkans war was over 20 years ago. You think someone cannot become a pacifist in that time frame? His record, which few can compare to, speaks for itself.

The evidance in Bolivia shows three men murdered. Not in a battle, but in their own Hotel rooms, in their underwear and unarmed. Two of them might not have even known Flores. As cock ups, go this is a big one for the Bolivian authorities. Even now they can't get their story streight.

The fact that he, over and over, condemns particular wars (at least one side of those wars) does not make one a pacifist - I may have missed a condemnation of the shelling of civilians in Israel, which a genuine pacifist one have given his coverage of Palestinian affairs.

And the tribute to Tudjman - can you explain that?

[Thac0man]

In fairness, he does appear to have been a pretty complicated character, and anything could come out of this. However the case that he could not have been involved has not been sucessfully made, to put it mildly.

Buts whats the evidance that he was? Dead in his own hotel room, in his underwear (after an apparent half hour seige) and weapons recovered were not even in the Hotel, but "found" in a building near by. The guy of Bolivian decent, that much we know. That he has an opinion about Santa Cruz, is a given. But he had to be killed for it?

Nothing the Bolivian authorites are saying makes sense. None of it amounts to evidance, only claims that don't seem to match up. And to boot a few people here are willing to smear an fellow Irishman, Dwyer as a Nazi. Thats about as low as I have ever seen on P.ie. There is not evidanc that he was not simply a hotel guest and got killed by mistake.

Whats this terrorist gang? A computer programmer, a professional muscian and hippy, a bouncer and collage grad from Galway, a retired 58 year old army officer and a journalist. Does anyone not think that if Flores was what some people claim he was that he would have put together a more professional group?

Again, it just does not make sense. And it makes entriely no sense to take the Bolivian cops word for it when so much seems to be wrong with their version of events. Dwyer is not only a Nazi - but guilty? Cops on lads.

[angry irish]

[quote=merle haggard;1574584]

True . The Spanish governemnt were also frequently using them to commit terrorist atrocities accross the french border in the 1980s under the covername of GAL in their dirty war with ETA . Most of them used to hang about Valencia . Fascist hole and quite a dodgy neck of the woods , i was there in the mid 80s for a time and remember encountering a few such types while in unsavoury company i shouldnt have been in.

It also needs to be remembered that the croatian ustase escaped yugoslavia pretty much intact and many of them settled in Bolivia where their fascist politics and propensity for extreme violence has never abated one iota .

true sadly

true right enough
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i dont really think would be any kind of an additional motive . They hate morales because they are dirty fascists , simple as . Morales policies directly affect the interests of the far right in Bolivia . Many of whom have a croat background .
he wasnt just in their company . The Bolivian police claimed the dead mercenaries apparently had identical tattoos identifying themselves as some sort of far right grouping . Dwyers site admitted to him having recently aquired quite a large tattoo .

as u can seen from the awful video Mike was the only one with a tatoo, see more bull****

[Thac0man]

The fact that he, over and over, condemns particular wars (at least one side of those wars) does not make one a pacifist - I may have missed a condemnation of the shelling of civilians in Israel, which a genuine pacifist one have given his coverage of Palestinian affairs.

And the tribute to Tudjman - can you explain that?

You said yourself he was a complex man, as did I. You seem to have some rather set and sqewed views yourself. Why do you think he would conform to your world views of past events? You and a few others are in a serious minority in thinking Serbia was a victim in the Balkons war.

[Partizan]

Rózsa Flores was a socialist in his youth, and had socialist friends, but abandoned the ideology after the collapse of socialist regime in hungary. Ha was a nationalist, because he stood up against injustice done to hungarian minorities outside of hungary. Labelling him with those two ideologies does not make him a nazi. All the hungarian news sites are very careful to make a judgement on him. Except the illegal (and rightfully called nazi) kuruc.info site, which mocks him as homosexual and jew.

A bolivian newspaper wrote that he was making a film in Bolivia.

Mr Flores certainly had far right ideology and was most definitley a Hungarian nationalist. The pic of that other guy is wearing the uniform of the Arrow Cross, a right wing nationalist Hungarian militia/group that seeks to unite ethnic Hungarians living in Slovakia (500,000), Romania-Transylvania (1.5m), Serbia-Vojvodina (400,000) and parts of western Ukraine (150,000). The Hungarian diaspora since the end of 1918 have been scattered all around Central & Eastern Europe and in recent times, especially the econmic woes affecting Hungary there has been a rise in support for these groups.

To say that Flores was not a right winger is to call Bertie Ahern a socialist. They guy fought with the Croatian army in the Yugoslav civil war and professes national socialism. The tattoo on Michael Dwyer also suggests his affiliation to a neo fascist right wing ideology. The more I look at it, the more I believe that Dwyer was not the innocent guy that some make him out to be. He must have known what he was getting himself into.

[merle haggard]

On a point of order before you completely loose the run of your self, what has Catholicism got to do with all this? Catholicism, like Protestantism is simply a branch of Christianity, it’s not a race or nationality. One can change ones religion at will and many millions of people all over the world have done so and continue to do so.

nothing , as i was pretty much pointing out in the post your quoting

[angry irish]

SS that is f***ing hilarious o that def means he was up to something - bloody idiots on this page - so all people who have tatoos that remotely look like SS are terrorists. thats a free stlye tatoo drawn by the tatoo artist not picked from a book or magazine