Irish 'involved' in Bolivia 'assassination attempt'

[Gruffalo]

You're a reverse-racist.

A what?

Christ you are a tool.

[FutureTaoiseach]

A what?

Christ you are a tool.

Racist against your own Irish people - that you would be a cheerleader for the killing of Irish civilians against whom allegations have been made but without strong evidence of their guilt. We're used to this sort of thing from the British in NI.

[FamilyGuy]

I've never heard of them. What proof do you have that Dwyer was a member? Because if he wasn't, it's not relevant to this discussion.

I didnt say he was a member. Both colleagues of Dwyer, Magyarosi Arpak who was killed and Elot Toazo who has has been arrested were members of it. Other members of this group, including their leader Tibor Revesz worked for Integrated Risk Management Security (IRMS) at Shell’s Mayo sites. Flores was an honorary member. So it is all very releavnt to this topic


And since you didnt answer the rest of what I asked you I will ask again

So you believe everytime a foreign national is killed in any country there should be an international inquiry? Should the Irish government now be insisting on international inquiries into the killings of Diarmuid O Neill, the Gibralter Three and many others? I havent seen you shout too much about those inquiries. I must have missed those posts did I?

[pete2]

So the Waffen SS were some tribe? Some tribe they were. He was in Santa Cruz with other gun toting fascists who were hell bent on destablising and overthrowing the government of Bolivia which would have cost many innocent lives. I say well done to the Bolvian authorities who neutralised this threat to their sovereignty. The world is a better place with 3 less nazis in it, Dwyer included.

Oh for Chrissakes did you not see the shape of the man? Does he look like a hard case to you? Look again at his jowls. Look at his suntan- the lad didnt even take his shirt off!

You can tell by looking at him he is just some blone impressed with whatever minor celebrity those he was knocking about had. People like Dwyer are a dime a dozen and when they get locked into a bad crowd like that they follow along. Describing him as a "nazi" a "fascist" is just ridiculous.

They must have surely impressed Dwyer with lots of tall tales of daring do, almost as much as people on here appear to be impressed but really this whole matter appears down to Dwyers foolishness and lack of life skills. Not some shady political conviction to overthrow Morales- another complete bullsh1t artist.

[Partizan]

I've never heard of them. What proof do you have that Dwyer was a member? Because if he wasn't, it's not relevant to this discussion.

An international inquiry should be held in this case, not least because Bolivia doesn't exactly have a history of apolitical security-forces and stable democracy, and because this is an Irish citizen.

You can thank your fascist friends for that. What a great tradition to that poor Evo Morales inherited, on top of coruption, racism and mass poverty and illiteracy.

[Mr Crowley]

Whats the evidence on him being a nazi so far? [*]A dodgy tribal tattoo

It's a feckin SS tattoo with neo-Nazi imagery incorporated into it. I see that you have jumped on to the Dwyer apology bandwagon; this has probably got a lot to do with your anti-immigration sig.

You are a right wing Cathublican, not a Republican. Crypto-Fascism and Republicanism don't mix; not if you're a follower of Tone, Connolly, Costello and Sands.

[mothball]

The defence of Dwyer has certainly taken an altogether different approach than I was expecting.
His defenders have gone full circle from complete denial of his and his colleagues’ activities and beliefs, to downgrading the actions of him alone when pictures and videos of the nut emerge, right back around to denial once again.
To sum it up:



We’re just waiting for them to accept the facts and then start defending the actions. I wonder if anyone is brave enough to openly admit their desire to see fascists murdering their way through South America.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I didnt say he was a member. Both colleagues of Dwyer, Magyarosi Arpak who was killed and Elot Toazo who has has been arrested were members of it. Other members of this group, including their leader Tibor Revesz worked for Integrated Risk Management Security (IRMS) at Shell’s Mayo sites.

OMG, here's the Shell looney-left conspiracy-theory again.

This thread is about the suppositious 'Irish' role in an assassination plot against Evo Morales. It's not specifically about the other two. The guilt or otherwise of the other 2 (one of whom produced a video stating he did not intend to kill Morales) is not proof of the guilt of Michael Dwyer.

And since you didnt answer the rest of what I asked you I will ask again

So you believe everytime a foreign national is killed in any country there should be an international inquiry? Should the Irish government now be insisting on international inquiries into the killings of Diarmuid O Neill, the Gibralter Three and many others? I havent seen you shout too much about those inquiries. I must have missed those posts did I?

I believe the conditions that create a moral imperative for an international inquiry exist when:

The security-forces are responsible for the killing where the country has a history of extra-judicial killings and politicised security-forces.

It's a feckin SS tattoo with neo-Nazi imagery incorporated into it.

That is not clear at all. I despise the SS but you are just interpreting things in your own paranoid way.

[Partizan]

Oh for Chrissakes did you not see the shape of the man? Does he look like a hard case to you? Look again at his jowls. Look at his suntan- the lad didnt even take his shirt off!

You can tell by looking at him he is just some blone impressed with whatever minor celebrity those he was knocking about had. People like Dwyer are a dime a dozen and when they get locked into a bad crowd like that they follow along. Describing him as a "nazi" a "fascist" is just ridiculous.

They must have surely impressed Dwyer with lots of tall tales of daring do, almost as much as people on here appear to be impressed but really this whole matter appears down to Dwyers foolishness and lack of life skills. Not some shady political conviction to overthrow Morales- another complete bullsh1t artist.

I did indeed. Just like these.

[pete2]

[COLOR=Red]It is not a tribal tatoo and every time you were asked to prove it you failed miserable, just like his stupid friends?
[/COLOR]Typical spoon, ah yeah, shur every young fella runs off and joins a militia at some stage in their life. Dont they?

Amazing how you ignore the links between this group and those who are financing the anti-Morales, right wing fascist movement in Santa Cruz.

Dont be silly, simply insisting that whatever you can see in his tattoo is there is no evidence of anything. Yes there are lots of examples of people who get locked into bad crowds and do stupid things, not unusual at all, nor a good indicator of anything except group dynamics.

What links are these then? Really FT is right, an investigation is needed, evidence is needed, instead of this wild speculative, going off half cocked nonsense.