I think they were participating in the demonstration as opposed to photographing it.Originally Posted by cactusflower
I'm still really puzzled by what use Dwyer could have possibly been to the group. He was obviously costing alot ... staying in expensive hotels, meals, etc. This is a young lad with no military experience, no medical expertise, no communications expertise.
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
I'm afraid Nazi and Facisit groups are more than capable of organising a clandistine orp over the internet. It kinda of goes with the territory - to believe in their ideology requires a mix of fanatism and stupidity - that of course doesn't mean they can not be used be more sophisticated people. For the type of untermensch which flock to such situations see the Searchlight article earlier posted, one even lauding the Yorkshire Ripper - never overestimate boneheads -
Does anyone else have Elvis Costello singing Olivers Army in their heads?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD_wmYI32sM]YouTube - Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Oliver's Army[/ame]Hong Kong is up for grabs
London is full of abs
We could be in palestine
Overrun by a chinese line
With the boys from the mersey and the thames and the tyne
But there's no danger
It's a profession, a career
It would hardly be clandestine then ...
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
In there minds it could be - just like Dwyer's tattoo
I think there was a large element of playing at soldiers in the whole operation, especially on the part of Flores.I’m starting to see a flaw in their recruitment method.
One has to wonder whether all of that is genuine. It sounds so surreal. How could anyone think that it's a smart move to recruit applicants for a subversive organisation over the net?
Unfortunately, they managed to do enough to make the Bolivian authorities suspicious, with the result that Michael Dwyer, who comes across as someone in way over his head, was tragically shot.
Yeah - playing soliders like the paramilitiries in Bolivia - tell the dead Bolivian indians their only playing soliders - tell the dead in Northern Ireland that the IRA and UVF kids that shot them were only playing soliders - I gun in a moron's hand still kills - Dwyer will get little sympathy from me
Irish guys that are way in over their heads when engaged on travel escapades and showing a certain naivety........we've had 'em before, y'know. Just think of the number of our druggy miscreants who have been blown away in Spain and Holland. Some seemed to think there was honour among thieves and paid the ultimate price. Young people like Mike Dwyer are like lambs separated from the flock who have crossed the pathways of guerilla gangsters. The ducking and diving plus the smoke and mirrors they train on here serves them badly in those farflung places.
A full translation of the blog:
[QUOTE]HOTEL LAS AMERICAS CASE (with input from a second time on the last letter of recruitment)
What happened at the Hotel Las Americas, is undoubtedly one of the situations that will mark a turning point in Bolivia. Why? Because until that time, the infighting in the country, had not been reflected as in a macabre mystery that makes the charges go from one side to the other, taking players worthy of a Hollywood thriller produced and causing so many doubts, that the population no longer know if the neighbor could be involved.
On April 16, Delta sent a statement by the government joined the early morning at the Hotel Las Americas, leaving 3 dead and 2 balance detainees. The news was shocking, two Bolivians who did not live in Bolivia and 3 foreign plot to assassinate Evo Morales? An operational intelligence without this tax, no local police presence, where apparently there was no response from the dead and attack where if the goal was to "run", leaving alive two of those involved?
Everything smelled very badly. The name of Eduardo Rózsa came to the fore and vaguely remembered discussions among friends in which the type was being appointed by a curious character, having led a hectic life, and who besides the "story" I did not know anything. While showing more iban means more to me obsessed with the case. The psychological profile of Rózsa was a striking ... many militant causes, a man who is a journalist in the Balkans, leaving the job to integrate the Croatian militia. Product of that decision, it from his father who would see their struggle as an act of treachery towards him, who was Jewish.
But in this mess of epic proportions, there are many points to consider, first: Who are the real protagonists of this story?
MICHAEL DWYER
Mike, for friends, was an ordinary young man of 25 years. From Co Tipperary, Ireland, to enter his facebook profile and found that virtually all the days spent playing video games as Maffia, or other related to soldiers. Put their interests: Shoot. In its activities: Shooting. Nothing was said about his current occupation.
Facebook was created when he came to Bolivia in October last year. In that month you can read a status update that said: "In an internet cafe in Bolivia !!!!" A curious fact is that a family his lady, put a message on his wall that read enigmatic:" Do not worry, your secret is safe with me. I have friends at Control Risks, beware "... The message included references to Belize, but unfortunately this information I could gather on Saturday and Sunday when I connect back to your facebook, I had already been killed ...
Everything indicates that he met Michael Rózsa through the spaces where he was virtually playing a battle-hardened soldier. Rózsa Once added to their contacts, this gave him a medal on a virtual game in which both participated.
LAST INPUT: I just get a message that alludes to the way how it could be recruited Mike. From Hungary we write: "Here is the link Revesz Szekler commander of the Legion (szekely.tk) in Ireland he worked as a security guard, was probably Irish colleague. He liked to recruit members for his organization that had no military training. " If you enter the website quoted a message on Fiuka In memoriam (the nickname of Arpad in virtuality) and Michael. The same source says that recruitment letters were sent through the site cahil.tk now disappeared from the network.
SECOND APPROACH: We received the copy of the original letter that the missing page had commanded: In Hungarian read:
Légiósok! admin, cs,
UDV mindenkinek aki feliratkozott to legi hírlevelére. Nem szoktam sokszor zavarni to tagokat of ezúttal mégis kivételt teszek.Egy ismerősünk hogy úgy döntött aktiver is részt kíván venni szülőföldjének, Santa Cruz dela Sierra védelmében / felszabadításában / ki hogy úgy nevezi.Aki Erzi szakmailag hogy úgy mint-fizikailag-felkészült to segítségnyújtásra az egy az küldjön szakmai önéletrajzot info@cahil.tk e-mail címre.Gyűjtsetek sok hasznos információt, tapasztalatot.Sok sikert: Admin
TRANSLATION:
Legionaires!:
Greetings to all who subscribe to this string. Do not disturb soil frequently, but it's time to make an exception. An acquaintance has decided to participate actively in their land Santa Cruz de la Sierra in a defense-release. Who feel they are physically and psychologically prepared to give a hand, send your Curriculm Vitae info@cahil.tk to collect useful information and experience. Good luck, admin.
The profile of the young Irish sample of someone whose social network was not very lively, to get to Bolivia country had a girlfriend. His younger sister would say: "The going to bring home?"
Months to elapse without much Mike virtual contact with their friends list. In February, her younger sister, in a curious paradox of fate you would write: "Are you alive? Long time ago I do not know you. " Mike in turn visit the profile of his sister on March 3 and would respond: "Yes, I am still alive. I do not have much internet access at the moment. How have you been? Any news for me? "
Mike, however, provides interesting data on their album. Photos that do not now exist online, but I keep looking for the history of web pages visited on Saturday. This photo shows Mike with Eduardo, entering hotel Buganvillas.
In this picture we see Edward, and two more with elodes in Bowling.
For months, Mike hung pictures where he was traveling was out of town by road. In this picture is the car he was following a white pickup truck with more people.
There are pictures of places away from the city, where there are cabins that are not exactly tourist areas that at first glance look paupérrimos but that surely belong to someone. There are a couple of photos of luxury homes outside the city, photos that is not worth publishing because the government probably already have them and can obstruct the investigations. And of course, are images of two more foreigners to suppose, that are labeled as "fugitives." Here is a photo with them that we have altered subjects not exposed to media people who do not know what role this plays in wrong.
Here is Mike in a black car with a punctured tire and its newly created tattoo on his arm.
As I saw were traveling in three cars, the photos are more than 100. Always followed by other cars ... which shipments were a great group of people.
Mike attended the march for the NO, his presence is attested in the nearly 10 pictures he took of the event. None sees him, but rose to his facebook without any explanation of where or why. Here are some of the photos taken by the Irish in this march.
Mike is often associated with a large group of Bolivian friends with whom you can see in bowling at the stadium, and in different places. There are photos, too, that attest to a relaxed life, where he is eating ... tatu or sunning by the pool.
Mike on the question, how much he was aware of what he was doing in Bolivia? In Ireland helped his father once, that was an electrician, and was also a security guard of a pub. Besides, no criminal background, and was characterized by love to travel, meet new cultures. According to his family made an Irish newspaper, Mike worked full time at a company dedicated to Safety. He came to Bolivia for allegedly 3 months for training in activities related to their work. What your family, friends and even people who look out of the matter ... do not understand is how someone of his profile, a type of good family, addicted to video games with no violent history, he was involved in a matter so ugly?
Arpad MAGYAROSI
Magyarosi was 28 years. He was a Romanian singer. Throughout his life through pictures hanging on the internet for their knowledge, that is Magyarosi was a restless person, he liked to travel, changed her hair style many times, even took some time dreadlocks. Sang rock, ballads, but was also, he was composing his songs. Participating in public events as a singer, was interviewed by television, even where there are pictures you can see singing as part of Special Olympics in your country.
By chance in life, came into contact with M, a Santa Cruz girl who knew him and who had a relationship. M knew that Magyarosi through Tagged, a social network to find friends and partners. The Romanian added the last year and since then started a virtual relationship. Mind that a few months later: "He told me he had heard of Santa Cruz, who had a friend here that he had been told that the carnival was pretty, and I thought coming." In February Magyarosi came to Santa Cruz, as he told M. "We stayed at the bougainvillea, which is reached with the prisoner. At that time I was afraid to meet you, so do not we met. Then we are at the Square. " M never saw Magyarosi with Eduardo, the only mention that the Romanian was made of him by asking if she knew who was Eduardo Rózsa. The rest of the time was always with elodes. "I did not go out alone. I said it was because they were foreigners and did not speak Spanish well, I was afraid that the police cree problems. But I resented having to always go out together "
When I met with M and had seen the pictures that hung on his facebook Mike and I wanted to ask about travel outside the city if she knew who left the field, I said yes, that was traveling Magyarosi enough. "He went to San Ramon, Chiquita and other places, but I forgot. We spoke a lot "Then I sent some photos of it in Santa Cruz.
I ask that if you met the others involved: "Just elodes and once I saw the Irish. Greeted me, asked me the name and nothing else. Good people. " Question about money management, taking into account that he had no work Magyarosi known and lived in hotels 4 star said: "The truth is that managing money. Dollars. I once had a problem in my house, and he told me that if he needed money, she asks, that he could give me. " The Romanian had expressed his desire to stay to live in Bolivia, "I want to be Santa Cruz, this place is incredible, there are many good people."
"Not much left of the hotel. He said that for her roles. Because his license had expired tourist. Only had a photocopy of your passport. I was scared. Hotel was changed a lot of times, I explained that it was the internet connection ... that did not like the connection. He lived close to the internet, internet showed me pictures of places you would like to visit, loved the music when I saw something on TV that attract attention, he would say, "puts this fast channel" ...
M did not know Magyarosi activities outside the small world that had developed between the two, but the attack on the cardinal said: "He was chatting with me until 2:30 am that day. It is impossible to have participated ...
The girl described as being sensitive Magyarosi of deep feelings, noble, incapable of harming anyone, who behaved with great tenderness: "I think maybe Eduardo used it because Árpád told me in a conversation I had a friend working at heights. Árpád was the son of a priest, pastor or something. He believed in God very much. As I said he thought before acting, it was not an animal. Something that I can add is that if you were knew how sneaky advantage of it, remember who said that Edward was going to help them all to get a job and live well without them that nothing is missing "
That was the testimony of M. From Hungary I got a mail with the testimony of DS Magyarosi bride who left her country: "He was traveling to Bolivia, he said he was invited to find ... by Eduardo. Carnival was in, went to the jungle, he said he drew from many experiences. He loved to know a city or country. It was supposed to stay a month, but then his license expired tourist and someone asked for his passport allegedly handled over permits. Árpád was without a passport. We had planned our future. It was an honest man, kind and intelligent. Everyone loved him and had a lot of friends. In contrast to the rumors in the press, had never taken part in actions such as those you accuse. Unfortunately, he was in a bad place at the wrong time and was the victim of that. Leaves a huge space behind him. Our dreams are gone with their own words: "Ill love you forever, baby" ... and I feel the same. That's all I can say "
Reading the mail, I had some questions that expressed by the same means, the day after DS again wrote:
"Árpád elodes and were childhood friends, their relationship was like brothers. I do not know how she met Eduardo. He had a visa for a month, but when someone finally asked for the passport formalities legalize it again. I do not know who took it, Árpád did not know who had it and how not to handle the situation. He had said that calm, that they would deal. The told me that he wanted to go home, but sometimes did not understand what was happening. I felt I was scared. Please do not put my name in the article.
Árpád on its website has a kind of virtual diary where she was hanging some messages from time to time. His words are translated into Hungarian ... but the last one hung up on its website on March 3 said:
"I loved being a child in the creek, admired both the world as if it was constantly slipping on it. Everything was magical, especially the brightness of the water, its splash. In the evenings, my husband's ear in melody stream, and wake up with him in the morning ... "
Then talks about his longing for Hungary, who misses his home, that Hungarian women are "the most beautiful of the world."
"I believe that our environment directly defines the beauty in which we live ... and I understand - I think - because the most beautiful in the world is our homeland Maybe I am partial ... a little ... maybe a lot, but I like home more than this with a couple of degrees! I need my house because nothing is more beautiful in the world to me. ˇThose eyes sparkle so much that the stream, and the bodies that move as they flirt, as the nice little fish ... if I close my eyes, your image, your photo - the beauty is left in me after all! I abandoned honest in the future. I pray that was not for nothing "
Elodes TOASO
Elodes is part of this isolated group called Hungarian szeklers. Consider themselves direct descendants of the Magyars or Hungarians pure ninth century AD that invaded what is now known as Hungary. Their ethnic origins are a matter of debate to this day. The word means "border guard" and indicated that some versions were direct descendants of Attila the Hun. Elodes belongs to szeklers based in Romania. M. Nagy, a friend of elodes Magyarosi me and said: "The Szeklers are people who speak Hungarian but who is living in Romania. As in Bolivia, we have tribes that speak different languages in one country. Most of the Szeklers want autonomy, self-government. There are a legion Szekler he wants to fight. Its leader is a person called R .... Elodes between the Pacific and the other side. "
With 28 years in internet you can still see a message elodes putting his curriculum vitae on a page americana, which had stressed that skills with computers and engineering. In his work claims experience in construction, cleaning, food industry, tourism and hospitality. Like his childhood, he liked to travel and see the world. And like the Irish, was glued to the internet.
M. Nagy I confirmed: "elodes has skills with computers, but I do not know at what level. Whatever, elodes had no military training, courses ever made for survival, but nothing more. Magyarosi had no courses or even survival. I think that Edward told them to join this fight, saying it was a noble cause. When they were there, and did not have much option to go home, being in a foreign country without knowing anyone
Elodes family only knew he had found a job in Bolivia, as well as family Magyarosi. "I think Eduardo manipulators, they had a comfortable life here. Needs were not, I think they were looking for excitement, adventure. They had not found its place in the world. Magyarosi had just graduated from college. Elodes Bolivia before going to quit his job. In a few months had two different jobs, but well paid. Eduardo according to some sources, wanted to create confusion. There are views that I get that his role was an agent provocateur, whose task would be to recruit people who are not satisfied with the power, the political situation. In Hungary the political, economic and ethnic is very complex. And Eduardo takes people inexperienced idealist, he wants to do something for his people and takes them to die Bolivia. So you can get an idea of the reasons that led them there "
By the time I spoke to Nagy, who was the April 20, elodes family had not yet made contact with lawyers, in fact did not even know how. I got the name of the lawyer elodes, your phone and address. Were concerned about the charges, if there could be just murdered in prison, and how many years could have if found guilty.
Nagy also says: "For me personally I do not like politicians, I think the fight has nothing to do with the interests of the people. You know? In ancient times, we Szeklers, as the Incas had a great and fair society. A true meritocracy, and each village had its own rules. I would like to peacefully build a similar type of community. An eco-community, an eco-village. So I do not wish to engage in political struggles. If Magyarosi and Toaso had chosen my path and not that of Eduardo, things were very different for them "
Mario Tadic
Mario is a Bolivian-born in Cochabamba, with Croatian nationality. Mario and Eduardo knew long. Some media say it is 60 years, a French comrade in arms who gave their testimony told us that Mario is 58 years and that suffer from diabetes. "The last time I saw Mario, was a commemoration of the battle of Vukovar 18/11/2008, where we meet our former volunteers in the presence of the Croatian Government, made the long walk from the hospital in Vukovar memory of the dead until I see that Mario was in pain at night and could not join us for dinner in our honor. " A sick man like him, would not participate in an armed struggle, he thought.
EDUARDO RÓZSA
The media have spoken many times about the profile of Edward, there are also books, websites, movies, statements on television, etc ... giving an overall picture of this man. His comrade in arms, French stated that "If a person had wanted to kill the president, do you think would be stupid enough to hire a retired military 58 years of" ill ", a journalist and poet who has not touched a firearm over 16 years, and three young men with no military experience?. There are people much more able to do that, people whose profession is that "
Elias, another colleague Eduardo, told us: "With Eduardo we were friends for over 20 years, knew it very well. It was anything but stupid or terrorist. I had commented a while ago that I could not find a place that was not peaceful and that miss South America, Bolivia. I met him in the Balkan war, was not a mercenary. He, like me, would never have done that for silver. We fought together for freedom from other people, then neither Edward nor I are part of any other armed conflict. He was an idealist, I think if it had come alive, would have become a leader for any of the opposition factions. Now it was more a politician, he was too old to take up arms again. Not a fan, not a terrorist, a man intelligent and friendly. I know I would never have chosen such a stupid death. That would not have wanted to die as a terrorist. He would have wanted to be remembered as a hero or something. The other did not have military training. If I had wanted to assassinate the president, was organized differently and would have been surrounded by other people, really professional. No waiting in a hotel room that commands come from miles outside the city so surprised. "
Also get the testimony of Muhammad Abdallah, who did the last interview in life writing.
1 .- How Rózsa met?
Bismiallah arahman arahim. Assalamu alaykum. Rózsa contacted me a couple of years ago. He had had a relationship with the Commander Ilich Ramirez, called by the imperialist propaganda "Carlos the Jackal" for many years in Hungary. A relationship that both fondly remembered and that is reflected even in the movie "Boy." I encourage the creation of the Committee for Repatriation of Ilich Ramirez in Venezuela for 3 or 4 years, then in Spain, Sweden, etc, and am responsible for the website where Ilich Ramírez CARLOS ????? ??????? ?????? published writings and news about Commander Carlos. Eduardo wanted to reconnect with the Commander Carlos, and that after his kidnapping in Sudan, 15 years ago, was unable to communicate, and did so through me.
2 .- What kind of man he was?
I'll confess that from the beginning I felt a great sympathy for the Commander Rózsa. He was a man of action, able to wield a gun, yet sensitive, a poet, as his dad and his sister. Always had spiritual concerns, as evidenced by their Jewish descent and his tenure in the Opus Dei, despite his revolutionary career had ended their search for God in Islam, like the Commander Ilich Ramirez "Carlos". In addition he had devoted all its efforts to fight for just causes, first as a journalist, denouncing injustice with his camera. Then as a volunteer, carrying humanitarian aid to Sudan, Iraq, etc, and when they considered essential, wielding a rifle. The only language they understand they do not understand the words or gestures humanitarian. I suppose that, despite our age difference, I felt very identified with it, hence the sympathy and affection.
3 .- It has been much discussion of their political ideology ... or that you interviewed him, how he sees his ideological profile?
I think the Commander Rózsa was very clear in their ideas, but to hear the thoughts of any intellectual thing to do, of course, is to read his work. And there are books of Commander Rózsa. More than half a dozen books published on history, poetry, autobiography, politics ... It is unfortunate that the majority of your books are published only in Hungarian. But there is one, as his collection of Sufi stories, which is also published in Spanish and was widely criticized by the Islamic community in Spain and Latin America. At the time of his execution discuss with him the possibility of any of his books translated into Spanish, as we are doing with "Revolutionary Islam" Commander Ilich Ramirez, who so far can only be read in French.
4 .- Some information about Rózsa as a fan, a guy who used weapons to defend positions ... however in an interview made by you Rózsa said. "I am absolutely convinced that" terrorism in the long run will always be counterproductive for those who use his methods ...
It is very sad for us that this meeting, which brings together different conversations that we had for several months, I got on my personal page, Muhammad Abdallah ???? ??????? just a day before his execution. That same day I sent a package to his family in Santa Cruz, as directed by Eduardo, with dozens of copies of the circular which was published this interview, to be distributed among the Islamic community in Bolivia. And I think in that interview, which I tried that Eduardo could speak for all aspects of his intense life, you can find perfectly the essence of his thought. Rózsa was not a fanatic. Abhorrent to us, not the imperialist propaganda, call it terrorism. But it was also aware that there are occasions when the only language they understand is the tyrants of the gun.
5 .- You had about coming to Bolivia Rózsa ...? Ever expressed concern about the political situation?
I refer to your personal web page: Sic Semper Tyrannus where he, on several occasions, spoke of Bolivia and especially Santa Cruz, his hometown. Rózsa knew much better than I exploit the resources offered by the internet, and actually taught me a lot in that regard. I think he can explain better than anyone, through what he wrote in his blog, I thought and felt about Bolivia and Latin America.
6 .- It seems possible that Rózsa has been in the country, not to assassinate the president, but to assist in the training of young people against the government?
Is redundant. Of course neither I nor the commander Ilich Ramirez or anyone who has had the slightest connection with Rózsa may believe that a practicing Muslim, and with a responsible position in the UMMA Hungary might want to murder the second most Latin American leaders sought to the Arabic world. You need only see the reception that President Evo Morales was at the Second Summit of ALPA a few weeks ago in Qatar. I was uploading to the internet address several of the interventions, both Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez in Al Jazeera and I can be sure it is unthinkable that a Muslim wanted to attack Morales. With regard to training camps, I am not going to discover any secrets if I say that I, and thousands of Arab fighters, Europeans, Africans, etc, have received training in Latin America. Across the continent, from Venezuela to El Salvador, passing through Colombia, Cuba, Peru, etc, there are places for training armed, as they have always existed. The tradition of Latin American guerrilla is that currently shape our generation to prepare for different fronts, are Colombia, Chiapas, Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan ... Bolivia is no exception. As regards the "anti-government" is very simplistic. As talk of "left" and "right". Is more complicated. In the conflicts of the twenty-first century, as in the Balkans, Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya ... no longer serve those labels. In the same trench fighters can match from a very different path, even antagonistic, but united against a common enemy ... Hizbullah's struggle against Zionism Israeli or Commander Rózsa's experience with international brigades in the Balkans are good examples. I understand that the most easy way is to use labels, but in the real world is not so simple.
7 - do you view the group that arrived in the country Rózsa?
I think we have to wait for the diplomats Croatian, Hungarian and Irish who are coming to the country these days to do their work and to require explanations of the Bolivian government executed Rózsa and his cronies, and the charges weighing on the two detainees, before that we speak. It would be absurd to tell the performers Rózsa which may be harmful to fellow prisoners.
8 .- It has information on how the incident was the Hotel Las Americas, how have you experienced and friendly environment Rózsa what appears to be an execution?
As I explained to other Bolivians, look forward with the autopsy report and the statements of the policemen involved. When there is evidence that Rózsa and his men were disarmed, there are no traces of gunpowder on their hands, or shots of other gauges on the walls, where it is proved that the inlets of the bullet trajectories show perfect and not distorted by sudden movements that involve a shooting. Ultimately, when it is shown that the cameras were canceled so that the hotel was not registered in the ruthless execution that was going to do, and that Eduardo Rózsa and his comrades were killed or without giving a chance to defend themselves, we like to see the explanations offered by the prosecution and the government of La Paz. Then we also offer our information.
9 .- Some people think Rózsa was deceived or betrayed in this sad incident, you think a man with his experience could fall into a trap?
Of course nobody is perfect. After dodging all the secrets of the world for over twenty years, Ilich Ramirez Sanchez Commander "Carlos" was captured in Khartoum, the victim of a trap of the French secret services with the Sudanese. And today there is more interest than ever before in history to profit politically from the label "terrorist." We have already seen what the governments of United States, England and Spain did in Iraq and Afghanistan with the excuse of "weapons of mass destruction" that never appeared ... And someone has tried for mass murder committed on Bush, Blair and Aznar?
10 .- In case the government will prove that Rózsa and his group were involved in illegal activities, that would justify the actions of the government of Evo Morales?
What illegal activities? Did in the Bolivian laws is considered to be lawful capital punishment without trial for any crime? In the case of evidence of an alleged crime, the legal process is to stop the suspect and bring to justice, and not riddled with bullets while sleeping almost naked and unarmed. But let us not forget that this slaughter was committed "by chance" two days before the Summit of the Americas and the historic meeting between Morales and Obama. And it is suspicious that something so timely media as an alleged international terrorist commando who theoretically would attack the president, is detected and neutralized, between the hunger strike of Morales and the summit of the Americas ...
11 .- It is said that the operation was managed with the help of Cuban and Venezuelan intelligence ...
Evidently, and I know from personal experience, the Venezuelan and Cuban security are two of the world body more effective. But in the case of Venezuela, which touches me closely, I think that the heatsink and the police forces of the V republic far from criminals and corrupt police forces of the Fourth Republic and the past. So I prefer to think that the Venezuelans and Cubans had nothing to do. Another thing is that they could provide information, not operational support to the Bolivian police in relation to the presence of Rózsa and his comrades in the country.
12 .- Do you know if Rózsa had any future plan, either by traveling to another country or with the film say it was filmed?
Many. In fact we were discussing the possibility of translating the complete works into Spanish, and preparing some lectures in Venezuela, Spain, etc.. Last November, in fact, I invite you to a meeting in Sweden, and this one in January to Lebanon, which finally could not attend for many professional projects in which he was embarked. And making a new film, continuing the famous "Chico", although that would not participate as an actor but as a script consultant, was just one of them. Besides just finished a new book of poems.
13 .- What do you remember most Rózsa?
I stay with Eduardo and Muslim poet. The solidarity and Eduardo bold. Not with that image manipulated and defamatory attempt to present some Bolivians. Even hesitate to use photographs manipulated and biased, as publishing today the Opinion, in a pathetic attempt to endorse the official version.
14 .- There is talk of this group as mercenaries, but neither young nor Rózsa involved seem to be people who move for economic interests you ... what you think ...
It is clear that idealism is a fundamental characteristic of all internationalists as Rózsa, or Ilich Ramirez Ibn Khatabb, Patrick Arguello, or Che Guevara traveled to distant lands to fight for his cause, in theory, were affected. But it is also true that over the years some of these wrestlers finish professionalising idealistic, as can the police, military and politicians from around the world, who age end up doing their work just for money. I do not think that is the case of Rózsa, but it may be the one of his men.
15 .- Is there any official statement of the commander Ilich on this? Thanks to the Bolivian comrades are getting everything that is published in all Bolivians and international media these days and we're getting to France to Commander Carlos. And I hope that very soon he may issue a communique in this regard through its website Ilich Ramírez CARLOS ????? ??????? ?????? or through some other means. So far we have been asked to convey to the family of Eduardo Rózsa its deepest condolences. Not long ago I sent to Hungary to an emotional Eduardo postal commander Carlos sent from France. And I think that was the last letters of his old comrade who could read before being executed.
The cause?
The government argued that the reason that this group is in Santa Cruz was planning the assassination of Evo Morales. However, on Tuesday released an interview that made Rózsa Hungarian TV before coming to Bolivia, which said: "We are prepared to declare independence in a few months and create a new country."
How to declare the independence of thought? with peaceful methods, but by showing strength, "he said in the interview. A contradiction in itself, like many of their ideological positions.
Rózsa also says that "it is feared that the government attack the province of Santa Cruz. Who convinced him that? What kind of people concerned, to believe that their city was about to be attacked and that they needed to train a militia to "defense"?
"I've been called to organize the defense of the city and the province of Santa Cruz" and then added "this is not about to go to the Bolivian jungle to be Che Guevara." Rózsa unfortunately committed the same mistake in the past that cost him his life Che. He arrived in an environment that was theirs was not much, unconscious of what is actually happening in the country, naively believing that men would be able to train as a modern superhero without government move a finger or realizes its activities. Was surrounded by people unable, and was pushed over by radical sentiments, whose genesis clouds any wisdom or common sense.
In his blog on the right side you can read a small label with a hung Rózsa phrase of Voltaire: "Those that make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities"
Elias recalls, "I said I was in Bolivia near the New Year. I said why. We met several times by MSN, chateábamos for hours, but never talked about that. Once he told me he preferred not to speak because he felt that "they were watching." I still wonder who has done something with these young people. not even asked. I am sure that many of the comrades would have said yes "
If the right Cruz is involved as all the evidence points and proved to be an obvious truth, is it his most radical wing? Who knew and worked with the formation of armed groups? There are infiltrators among entrepreneurs and lodges that are participating in such events? Why, if there are people involved in weight, there was not someone stop this suicide? Why the famous militia, the guards did not take any other subversive group that would have taken, not staying in shelters and hotels, do not walk together drawing attention, etc. ..? Will felt so safe? After six months, the routine became just that neglect? Who financed? Only the passages must have spent nearly 10 thousand dollars, let alone what they spent in hotels and mobilizations for six months.
And there are more important questions What remains now that wing radical? After this fiasco, attempts to conduct business like this, you will die?
THE OPERATIONAL
Now we have to see what role the government. Anyone knows that by law, all hotels pass the list of persons who register at their facilities to Interpol, every night. So, those places not know anyone with Interpol. They were in Bolivia since October last year, jumping from hotel to hotel, and moving in groups on the outskirts of the city ... a striking set of people, Croats, Hungarians, Irish and of course ... ... Eduardo Rózsa government recently learns all this by making the day the assault Hotel Las Americas? Why not be civilized if an arrest followed so far (with security) and there were times when everyone went on their own, albeit in two?
Elias, co-Rózsa, said there was no doubt on the performance of the group, providing interesting facts: "I am a former professional soldier and I can tell, I have seen war, and fought too ... it is impossible to shoot a man in motion , and re-shoot of the manner in which the command claims that it did, in a confrontation. Shots as the photos are located in a small area of the body, for more than five bullets Eduardo, and everyone is a few centimeters of each other ... too well in a moving body. Nobody can do that in a moving body, I have been trained to shoot ... and I've never seen someone who can do something. My opinion is: They were caught or did not move when the commandos surprised and shot them to be within walking distance of the target. I'm sure ...
The photos of the dead who are running the Internet, were leaked by someone outside the police, someone in the hotel ... that was a fact that neither the command nor the government had hoped, because the pictures show that some bodies there are no weapons. In any case, why stop at two live?
żTheory? Left alive at the media that they would less trouble, and that could corroborate what is a fact, that it was arming a group of people against the government, which is being held two training sessions and these may point to those involved. Among Magyarosi (one known and loved in her country singer), Mike (a young family, who have been imprisoned, and would have an enormous support not only their city but their government and their families will have already arrived in the country) and elodes (a type of low profile, which until April 20 his family had not even been able to find out the name of your lawyer), which is alive is less and less media resources for support.
But remember that young people knew little of what was put in, and remember those who were well aware of what was cooked was Eduardo and Mario, there is no wonder why even choose to let live Mario. However this is speculation.
RESULTS
It is clear that the radical wing of Santa Cruz got in trouble one so far where there is 3 dead and 2 arrested. The government has evidence of all, will start in a little sooner or later begin the arrests. Will use this sad story, to start a witch hunt, which definitely will give a thrust to any attempt of subversion.
What is most disturbing is that both sides, both the ruling and the opposition with their own activities, some for trying to create a local army and the government was unaware that the government take a very delicate situation, unscrupulously to have executed 3 people, just delete this line altogether and diffuse long, dividing right from wrong.
P.D. We would not have provided photos to the RED ONE, denouncing the lack of care in this channel Notivisión, to display images which involves other people in a very sensitive case and not cover their faces. Remember that there are 3 people dead and 2 detained for treatment of serious news. Above to give the wrong information, saying in a picture (the Buganvillas) that Mike is Mario Tadic.
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