There is another theory bouncing around that perhaps Morales's opposition party instigated the plot and attacked the hotel, and purposely left it as a shabby cover up so that Morales would get the blame for it.
This would give a good reason as to why Morales has suddenly changed his mind in allowing an international investigation.
He may of realised that he has been played and now has no choice but to cover it up himself.....
Any comments on this people?
Nothing is impossible in the twisted atmosphere of South American politics, particularly in a country like Bolivia. But it's still just speculation, as is much of what surrounds this story, from what those fellows were up to, what Michael Dwyer's involvement was, what the Bolivian police instructions were, the whole lot. there's very little except speculation, at the moment.Originally Posted by Set Straight
Did an examiner article a few days ago not link the international fash tendancey Flores was part of to the CIA. Can't find it on their site, I wonder
Has the role of brit SIS and MI6 been uncovered in all this yet?
Btw it occurred to me that Klaus Barbie had extensive contacts in Bolivia, and even supervised the setting up of their flag of convenience navy. Far as I remember he also attempted a coup, the plan being to build a 'Reich in the Andes' although that time it was using German mercenaries and Austrian Steyr light tanks.
"I don't think Martin McGuinness necessarily intended to kill anyone while in the IRA." factual
Now I know that the Western People is not a major news source but I find it interesting how one of Dwyer's former colleagues describes him:
"A former colleague of Mr Dwyer’s told the Irish Daily Mail that he was involved in the security of the Shell pipeline. The ex-co-worker described Dwyer as “a likeable sort of guy, a bit naïve but certainly not a killer”. “He was just a young man fascinated by all things military. He loved to dress up.
“He was involved in the security of the Shell pipeline and there he would have come into contact with people from Poland and Hungary with a military background and could have had his head turned, but he wasn’t a leader, he was a follower.”"
Western People: ‘Mercenary’ was Corrib gas guard
After being prompted you named: Zelkjo Kadijevic (JNA Chief of Staff), Zvonko Jurjevic (Chief Commander of Yugoslav Airforce), Ante Markovic.
Immediately prior to the outbreak in Slovenia, some still clung onto the belief that the JNA was the defender of the socialist republic, including half-Serb Veljko (not Zeljko) Kadijević, until that was when he was ordered, and accepted to, ‘eliminate all Croats and Slovenes from the army’ by Borisav Jović and Milosević via their surreptitious dual-command system bypassing that in the Federal Presidency of Mesić & Marković. (see: Borisav Jović, Poslednji dani SFRJ, Belgrade, 1995, p349).
Current on the run hague indictee Kadijević, also wrote his own account in which he repeatedly states the army (JNA) had been without a state way before the war, signifying that the ‘socialist’ Yugoslavia had already been dismantled from within. The sinister Josef Fritzl look-alike also stated what was being created was ‘a new Yugoslav state of the Yugoslav peoples who wish for it, at this stage the Serbian and Montenegrin people.’ (Kadijević Moja Videnje raspada, Belgrade 1993, p93.)
Kadijević’s incidentally had retired by 1992 and numbers 2 and 3 on your list Jurjević and Marković similarly also only lasted a few months (the former purged, the latter pushed out of office).
Really Zippy? The only legal army permitted? I suggest you google Teritoriljana Odbrana. It was the Territorial Defence force defined within the 1974 Constitution with a war time personnel of 1,200,000 matching the same strength of the JNA, trained and led by the Republics & autonomous provinces, and maintained within the 1988 reorganisation.
I won’t waste my time responding to your other unchecked-though-accepted-as-fact-assertions.
Don't forget to oil your zip.
Ok Bungle, in reply. Kadijevic was retired out of the army you are correct. Markovic resigned after the Federal Army led by Kadijevic incidentally wanted 80% of the Federal budget. Markovic would have stayed on if the army hadnt have made that demand.After being prompted you named: Zelkjo Kadijevic (JNA Chief of Staff), Zvonko Jurjevic (Chief Commander of Yugoslav Airforce), Ante Markovic.
Immediately prior to the outbreak in Slovenia, some still clung onto the belief that the JNA was the defender of the socialist republic, including half-Serb Veljko (not Zeljko) Kadijević, until that was when he was ordered, and accepted to, ‘eliminate all Croats and Slovenes from the army’ by Borisav Jović and Milosević via their surreptitious dual-command system bypassing that in the Federal Presidency of Mesić & Marković. (see: Borisav Jović, Poslednji dani SFRJ, Belgrade, 1995, p349).
Current on the run hague indictee Kadijević, also wrote his own account in which he repeatedly states the army (JNA) had been without a state way before the war, signifying that the ‘socialist’ Yugoslavia had already been dismantled from within. The sinister Josef Fritzl look-alike also stated what was being created was ‘a new Yugoslav state of the Yugoslav peoples who wish for it, at this stage the Serbian and Montenegrin people.’ (Kadijević Moja Videnje raspada, Belgrade 1993, p93.)
Kadijević’s incidentally had retired by 1992 and numbers 2 and 3 on your list Jurjević and Marković similarly also only lasted a few months (the former purged, the latter pushed out of office).
Really Zippy? The only legal army permitted? I suggest you google Teritoriljana Odbrana. It was the Territorial Defence force defined within the 1974 Constitution with a war time personnel of 1,200,000 matching the same strength of the JNA, trained and led by the Republics & autonomous provinces, and maintained within the 1988 reorganisation.
I won’t waste my time responding to your other unchecked-though-accepted-as-fact-assertions.
Don't forget to oil your zip.
Jurjevic was not sacked per say because of his nationality. He was sacked because he was cosidered by Belgrade to be a loose cannon especially in January 1992 after a Yugoslav airforce jet shot down a UN helicopter on Jurjevic's orders. The shooting down of the helicopter lost Begrade any street cred it had left in the West.
Getting back to Kadijevic's quote, he's probably right, but then again non Serbs in the JNA rather than resign, switched over their alleigance to the new VJ in June 1992. Zoltan Dani (ethnic Hungarian) being a senior officer as a good example. He was the guy who sht down the Stealth Bomber over Vojvodina during the NATO bombings in 1999. Franjo Simatovic another Croat served under Slobo. When the JNA withdrew from Bosnia in June 1992, it ceased to be theatre in the Yugoslav civil war and thus became a Bosnian one. It is interesting to note that Bosnian Muslims and Croats fought in the Bosnian Serbs Army. The Bihac Muslims being a good example and Major Ismet Duheric being a senior officer in the VRS.
Its a funny old world there Bungle.
here comes zippy
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I think a society that judges and condemns anyone based on the ink on their bodies is the kind of society Hitler might have approved of... he had a particularly strong dislike for new forms of art which he labelled 'degenerate', how people behaved, dressed, what art was available etc were matters that the Nazi regime didn't allow much bending room with.
Haven't you ever heard of a guy or girl with an old flame's name tattooed on their bodies? They hate that person but it's still there.
Besides we shouldn't be criminalising people based on their beliefs, only their actions and the matter of the guy's tattoo would be rightly thrown out in a court of law.
I would like an explanation as to why these guys were staying in hotels for long periods at a time in Bolivia, all different nationalities - male and presumably the others had military or semi-military associations like Mr Dwyer - all factors that might have made the Bolivians nervous (and i can understand this as it fits the profile of suspect mercenary activity very closely), i think they decided to act pre-emptively based upon their fears. Innocent until more information emerges is my current position, Morales is obviously not good at making public statements - probably a bit of a blowhard like Chavez - thence the allegations about Ireland's involvement. They seem quite paranoid about security issues in Bolivia and Venezuela and that is justifiable to a certain degree.
The Sun are tomorrow reporting that Dwyer was a 'hostage' of the Hungarians, that they had taken his passport. Now that is pure bullsh1t, and does smack of someone orchestrating 'news management'. The photos show him happy and relaxed in their company in bowling alleys and the like. It's pretty low stuff from the Sun.
Given Flores' background and his comments it is clear that the Bolivian background had reason to be concerned.
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