Irish 'involved' in Bolivia 'assassination attempt'

[Set Straight]

Read the following link, Sosa gives an explanation.

'No evidence' of Bolivia plot - The Irish Times - Wed, Apr 22, 2009

Mr Sosa also denied accusations within Santa Cruz that police acted illegally. “In this case the presence of a prosecutor was not necessary. The police just went to the hotel to see if the men were there. [COLOR="Red"]There was a confrontation and they defended themselves[/COLOR].”

Grant it they had a big force, 30 men, but if you are dealing with potential terrorists you are not going to go in lighthanded.

And if you read carefully you will see that the ones kicking up the fuss are the same people who hired Flores. Now there is a shock.

Soooo Flores pulled out his member and pointed it at the SWAT team?

And that is why a man had his hands tied then was shot......

[Gruffalo]

Soooo Flores pulled out his member and pointed it at the SWAT team?

And that is why a man had his hands tied then was shot......

When a guy points a gun at you, you do as you are told. You are still in your little fairy world thinking that Mike and his buddies were lovely innocent fellows. The police were dealing with a known mercenary and his associates. You dont take risks, sudden movements get people killed. Failure to obey instructions get people killed.

I am with you on the hands tied one, that is altogether baffling.

[Sam Lord]

Look honestly I don't care if Evo Morales is a good leader or a bad leader, or if Flores was a Nazi or a socialist, or if Dwyer was converted by Flores or if you are in total support of morales regardless of what he does. I honestly don't care, what I want to know is why he wasnt given the right to court, why he was murdered and I want justice put apon those who allowed his murder, weather it be Morales himself or the nut case SWAT team that kill him. It was an illegal operation and people must be punished.

And no Slandering by you or anyone else by ways of tattoos or past jobs or anything else can take away from that fact.

And don't bother back answer me with your generated "it means everything" crap because I don't care.

You can't take away from the person Mike was when I knew him.

I was wondering if a young Irishman somehow, for reasons which apparently no one can say for some strange reason, ended up in North Pakistan living in a tribal village where the Taliban operated, and was killed in a missle strike from a US drone would all those going on about Dwyer being murdered be going on in the same manner ? Would the Irish government be dispatching diplomats and demanding International Investigations ?

I'm just curious like..

Our best friend the USA carries out summary executions week in and week out and no one in our government or media seems too agitated about it.

Incidentially, I think if the Bolivian government wants to get more information about what was going on they should waterboard the two captured terrorists repeatedly. It is apparently not really torture ...

[Gruffalo]

Micheal Martin has had a few words to say. Made some good points too:


Martin seeks 'facts' on Dwyer - The Irish Times - Wed, Apr 22, 2009

[Hegarty's Crowd]

Revisonism, your reply is full of it. What Mr Crowley and merle have done is question the media lie and exposed quite convincingly the innacuracies that is being spewed by the media spin and the arguments that has also been spun by Dwyer's 'friends' who as the lads have shown use different handle names and in the case of Set Straight are 2 different people. (They have single handedly blown away every argument that you and your fellow travellers have countered).

Nobody doubts the media lies and is full of propaganda (from numerous sides), however this isn’t some exclusive revelation of Crowley & Merle as you claim.
True, they have, as other posters, challenged inaccuracies and I’ve given them credit where credit’s due, as have other posters, but they’ve also insulted others, bored the hell out of many by harping on about tattooes, runes and their liberal denouncements of anyone who disagrees with them as being ‘Nazis’ and in doing so wasted much of what was an informative thread.

The (quite right) questioning of the sudden flurry of new posters the other day is also not an exclusive ‘Crowley and Merle’ production. Others again commented and indeed I myself suggested investigating the origin of the IP addresses. So let’s get the facts right…although facts are something which appear foreign to you.

I smell a rat here as do many others.

How convenient. You have no argument so you suddenly smell a rat…
Who are these ‘others’ your posts constantly refer to? Can they not speak for themselves?

It’s not a rat you smell…but your own stench.

You sir pretend to call yourself an Irish Republican.

What a nonsensical post. How can someone pretend to call themselves something? Catch on. I stated my political belief and unlike you there's been no pretence.

Judging by your comments here pandering to the right wing nut jobs and media lies as well as your blatant Serbophobia and eulogising extreme Croatian nationalism, as well as being a cheerleader of US/NATO Imperialism in the Balkans, you sir are nothing of the sort.

I see you’re a fan of fiction too Partizan eh? Not one of your blatant inventions in your above paragraph has any basis in fact.

I have both Serb and Croat friends and - unlike you with your selective anti-fascism - and I despise fascism per se whether Ustase Croat or Ljotic Serb, as equally as I do communism and any other form of thought-suppressing entities whether religious or otherwise. Whilst also anti-Milosevic and anti-Tudjman, I opposed the breakup of the SFRY and the subsequent US/NATO imperialist intervention in the Balkans so I’d be grateful if you could explain on what basis you made the above uncorroborated allegations (which you seem to have a knack for).
Oh and when you get chance, let me know the names of the eve-of-Croatian-war ‘multi-ethnic’ JNA chiefs of staff you told us all about that you believe ‘demolished’ the myth of a greater serbian plan. (The north-western theatre staff are actually more relevant and I can also let you know who they were…although I’m sure you won’t be interested.)

The difference between us is that I strive for a balanced view; and you strive to re-enforce your political view which causes you to misinterpret and misunderstand the former.

It is you is biased, not I.

You are not even fit to bear the mantle and be a follower of the teachings of James Connolly, Pearse and Wolfe Tone... You are doing a great disservice to the cause of Irish Republicanism.

Partizan, you neither represent Irish Republicanism nor, despite your repeated references to others, indicating that you cannot form and support your own arguments unaided, cite the names of great balanced humane men of thought and vision on one hand; to support your callous, ignorant, biased and blind attempts at argument on the other.
Your appear to subscribe to some brand of ‘republican socialism’ which is all very well, but that is merely an ideological strand of Irish Republicanism not Irish republican ideology (which also includes socialism) per se. So cease acting like a conceited pompous arrogant little twit.

Connolly would have been revolted of the actions of the Nazis and the extreme Right aided and backed by the US in enslaving millions in Latin America.

Correct. He was also a man denounced by his socialist contemporaries for throwing his lot in with a narrow ‘nationalist revolt’, however I’m unsure whether he’d condone the state-sanctioned shoot-to-kill of unarmed political opponents if that is what’s happened, and which, either way, is a policy you appear to condone.

I can discuss Irish Republicanism with you on another thread another time. In the meantime I’d suggest you concentrate on aiming to establish facts without the political goggles otherwise you just come across like a biased extreme-left Zippy off Rainbow, struggling to follow a blindfolded Bungle and George as all three of you bumble around a darkened room in circles yelling ‘everything’s so clear!’

[Conor]

Our best friend the USA carries out summary executions week in and week out and no one in our government or media seems too agitated about it.

Have they been summarily executing Irish citizens?

[Gruffalo]

Have they been summarily executing Irish citizens?

The did not do a bad job on this fella:


Family members say Irish citizen killed by police in Oregon was shot several times - News

[Sam Lord]

Have they been summarily executing Irish citizens?

Possibly, I don't know. But is that all that matters? It seems to me to take a bit of brass neck for the Irish government to assert that the Bolivian government should abide by due process and uphold human rights etc. when our best buddy violates all these things and we never make a squeak...

[Partizan]

Party, The girl that was on here only used this profile the first day that i made this profile, no other time. And I don't know everything about his activities in Bolivia, hell his parents don't even know what he was doing.

Are you a schizophrenic or a haemaphrodite?

make up your mind.

[Verhofstadt]

Micheal Martin has had a few words to say. Made some good points too:


Martin seeks 'facts' on Dwyer - The Irish Times - Wed, Apr 22, 2009

Kudos to Martin, good statement.

(Note that me complimenting a FF minister is not normal.. in fact it makes me feel dirty.. I'm off now to shower.)