Irish 'involved' in Bolivia 'assassination attempt'

[rtewatch]

It behoves every Irish person who recognises that Mr Dwyer was not in Bolivia on some backpacking holiday or in pursuit of social justice for the Bolivia people to write to the Bolivian embassy in the UK and express their disagreement with Dick Roche and co, and their support for the Bolivian people. I will.

Roche (for whom Foreign Affairs is not his brief - the EU is) has put every Irish person in Latin America under suspicion. Lots of young Irish people travel to the region for genuine holidays and work reasons. Roche might have for example brought people's attention to the official DFA line for example that travel by Irish people to the Santa Cruz region was not encouraged in the first place, but didn't (Department of Foreign Affairs - Bolivia).

Don't be surprised if we see official representation (another Katy French aide-de-camp moment) at Dwyer's funeral, along with the great and the good of the Tipp parish, GAA, dog collars and FF and FG luminaries included.

In about two months it would be opportune to submit an FOI request for cost of the DFA operation in LA over this.

Incidentally, Dwyers Bebo page was saved and is here:

http://www.filesavr.com/mikedwyer

You can easily match at least one name to a username being used to explain away his presence in Bolivia. Incredibly the denials of these "friends" is just making matters worse for his family.

I hope Morales continues with his policies and triumphs through all this.

Mr. Crowley's postings on this thread have been superb. Keep it up please.

[caminoed]

Some of the things on this thread are a new low.

bottom line:

We will not know the full story about Michael Dwyer's involvement for some time. Some of the story i reckon we will never know.
We need to hear more facts before we condemn his actions.
Even if he did make some bad decisions or was involved in something he shouldn't have been, an explanation for the manner in which he was killed needs to be established.
A family have been put in an awful position, and they deserve our thoughts and some space right now.

[Hegarty's Crowd]

Irish Republicans like merle, Mr Crowley and myself do not have any time for evil Nazis regardless of where they come from be it Bolivia, Hungary Croatia or Ireland for that matter.

So you condone the right of a state or government to shoot-to-kill political opponents?

I'm an Irish Republican too and consider extremism - left, right or religious -all as bad as each other. However, if any state regardless of its politics, orders their troops to rouse unarmed opponents, whether activists or not, from their beds and simply execute them on the spot then I completely condemn it.

It's ironic whilst some posters on here are spending more interested in trying to force tenuous links with the content of ambiguous tattoos that they exclaim are 'clear to see', what they actually fail to see is that by condoning a state's shoot-to-kill policy against political opponents - and several of these same posters have clearly condoned it in on this thread - then in doing so they are condoning the behaviours and actions of the very thing they purport to be against.

[Limerick Lad]

They were a bunch of extreme right wingers who were there to destabalise and overthrow a democratically elected government which would have taken many innocent lives.

Dont you think for one second that the Irish government faced with such a plot would have acted in the same way.

Well done President Morales. 3 less fascists around.

The Irish Government didn't act in that way, they didn't break into the homes of the IRA leadership or dissident Republican groups murdering them as they lay in their beds, claiming they had acted or were acting in a manner designed to to destabilise and overthrow our democratically elected Government by styling themselves as the legitimate Government of Ireland and their forces as Óglaigh na hÉireann the legitimate armed forces of the Irish people.

[Set Straight]

Bolivian president scoffs at death probe demands - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

"The lawyer said he had seen no list of potential targets. "There are some notes, there are names in the notes, but we cannot know if they are participants or targets, and so we do not have any list," he added."

[Partizan]

The Irish Government didn't act in that way, they didn't break into the homes of the IRA leadership or dissident Republican groups murdering them as they lay in their beds, claiming they had acted or were acting in a manner designed to to destabilise and overthrow our democratically elected Government by styling themselves as the legitimate Government of Ireland and their forces as Óglaigh na hÉireann the legitimate armed forces of the Irish people.

Micheal Dwyer was not shot in his bed. The impact and trajectory of the fatal wounds on his body suggest that he was shot standing up. They were clean shots. If he had been shot in bed, there would have been blood on the bed sheets and everywhere but there is not. If he had put his hands up, remained in a prostate position, he would have survived just like the other 2 taken into custody. You have to remember that in that part of the world the police are traditionally heavy handed and given the threat that the people whose company he was in like Flores and the area where they were staying in, Santa Cruz and given their suspicious activities, the Bolivian police squad were in no mood for niceities. They had it on good intel that these idividuals were plotting to overthrow the government. Given the circumstances and quick split second decisions, anyone who was jumpy was likely to get shot. Flores would have probably shot at the police squad given the opportunity. There is no proof of a shoot to kill policy adopted by La Paz. The police's fears were justified by the recovery of weapons at the hotel.

These people were not backpackers, tourists, innocents or filmakers like some of Mike's 'apologists' have attempted to portray him and his Nazi mates here. They were in Santa Cruz to cause undue harm, i.e. forment a civil uprising against the democratically elected Bolivian government with the end mission to overthrow it.

We have not heard from Mike's employers yet, the nature of his work in Bolivia, what was he doing in Santa Cruz or the whereabouts and names of the 15 people who came to Bolivia and most important who was financing the whole thing because it sure wasnt Flores himself.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Now their own prosecutors admit the assassination plot is fictitious:

....However, [COLOR=#306294]Marcelo Sosa[/COLOR], the state prosecutor in charge of the case, said so far he had seen nothing to suggest an assassination plot existed. Prosecutors have examined 10pc of the documentation in the case.
Mr Sosa told newspaper 'El Deber': "So far, with 10pc of the documentation, there is nothing that suggests that (an assassination plot)."
The lawyer said he had seen no list of potential targets. "There are some notes, there are names in the notes, but we cannot know if they are participants or targets, and so we do not have any list," he added.
The state prosecutor should have been present during the raid as required by law, but Mr Sosa said he requested the reports because he wasn't there.
Photos of the three dead men in their underpants, their bodies riddled with bullets, suggest the men were sleeping when police stormed the hotel.
The state prosecutor's initial investigation will last 10 days. The Bolivian government has claimed the group planned to assassinate Mr Morales, vice president Alvaro Garcia Linera and the governor of [COLOR=#306294]Santa Cruz[/COLOR], [COLOR=#306294]Ruben Costas[/COLOR].
[COLOR=#306294]Tipperary[/COLOR] native Michael Dwyer was shot dead in the [COLOR=#306294]Hotel Las Americas[/COLOR] in the city of Santa Cruz at around 4.30am last Thursday. Mr Dwyer had told his family that he was working as a bodyguard for a "wealthy man" in Bolivia -- now believed to be [COLOR=#306294]Eduardo Rozsa Flores[/COLOR] (49), a Bolivian with Croatian nationality who grew up in [COLOR=#306294]Hungary[/COLOR]. Mr Flores, a veteran of the [COLOR=#306294]Balkans[/COLOR] conflict and a former war correspondent, was also killed in the hotel.
The third man killed has been identified as Romanian national Magyarosi Arpak.
Yesterday, a source close to the Dwyer family said Michael had travelled to Bolivia along with a group of 17 others to work in security.
It's understood Mr Dwyer had been working for a private security firm known as Integrated Risk Management Services (IRMS) before he left for Bolivia, but it is not clear if Mr Dwyer had left the company before he travelled abroad.

[Partizan]

It behoves every Irish person who recognises that Mr Dwyer was not in Bolivia on some backpacking holiday or in pursuit of social justice for the Bolivia people to write to the Bolivian embassy in the UK and express their disagreement with Dick Roche and co, and their support for the Bolivian people. I will.

Roche (for whom Foreign Affairs is not his brief - the EU is) has put every Irish person in Latin America under suspicion. Lots of young Irish people travel to the region for genuine holidays and work reasons. Roche might have for example brought people's attention to the official DFA line for example that travel by Irish people to the Santa Cruz region was not encouraged in the first place, but didn't (Department of Foreign Affairs - Bolivia).

Don't be surprised if we see official representation (another Katy French aide-de-camp moment) at Dwyer's funeral, along with the great and the good of the Tipp parish, GAA, dog collars and FF and FG luminaries included.

In about two months it would be opportune to submit an FOI request for cost of the DFA operation in LA over this.

Incidentally, Dwyers Bebo page was saved and is here:

http://www.filesavr.com/mikedwyer

You can easily match at least one name to a username being used to explain away his presence in Bolivia. Incredibly the denials of these "friends" is just making matters worse for his family.

I hope Morales continues with his policies and triumphs through all this.

Mr. Crowley's postings on this thread have been superb. Keep it up please.

Bang on, agree 100%. The stupid and irresponsible words of Dick Roche has been counterproductive.

Mr Crowley and merle has done sterling work in exposing the lies and inconsistencies of the far right and the hidden agenda and organised spin in the mainstream Irish media and websites. This smacks of a coverup by the upper echelons in the Irish establishment.

I hope President Evo Morales calls Dick Roche's and Zanu FF's bluff.

[FutureTaoiseach]

The unpatriotic support by some on this thread for the State terrorism that murders an Irish citizen is a disgrace.

[Hegarty's Crowd]

Mr Crowley and merle has done sterling work in exposing the lies and inconsistencies of the far right and the hidden agenda and organised spin in the mainstream Irish media and websites. This smacks of a coverup by the upper echelons in the Irish establishment.

Lol! Whilst I grant our Detective Duo tag-team Crowley & Merle have provided some slight positive contribution to this discussion - such as questioning the identity, link purpose and role of the elusive security firm, and Crowley's entertaining attempts at remote crime scene investigation and bolivian swat team room-clearance tactic lecture; combined with Merle's historical revisionism (there were no serbian fascist forces in WW2); the rest of their posts serve no other purpose than to reconfirm they think solely in their ideology's limited terms, and which, I may add, is not, Irish Republicanism, nor represents it as you seemed to infer.