Israeli soldiers' "cold blooded murder" of Gaza's civilians

[kintama]

You are wrong to say the IDF have these T-Shirts printed. It seems they are actually printed by a fabric shop in Tel Aviv and an Arab man from jaffa supervises the workers in the shop. Even in the link you posted there is a quote from the IDF saying these T-Shirts "are not in accordance with IDF values and are simply tasteless. This type of humour is unacceptable and should be condemned".

Thranduil makes an important point about racial supremacism. The 'official' Israeli military position may be that these naked displays of racist contempt for the value of Palestinian lives are unacceptable but these shirts are printed for and worn by Israeli soldiers. Even your own military are not trying to deny this. Your very selective comments on the issue can only lead one to believe that you have deliberately misrepresented the facts to try and cover up for the racist murderers who make up the so called 'IDF'.

[Asi-Irish]

The IDF are animals, plain, ugly and simple.

[draiocht23]

There is an article on the use of Palestinian children as human shields by the Israeli Defence Forces in the Guardian today which comes complete with more pictorial evidence of the practice.

Gaza war crimes investigation: Guardian uncovers evidence of alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza | World news | guardian.co.uk

It is of course a war crime if proven (that is - of course - a colossal 'if' when even the decision to prosecute is influenced by politics).

Personally if true i think it makes for an especially revolting episode, the sight of armed soldiers hiding behind semi-naked and bound children speaks much of cowardice but also of racial supremacism (racial supremacism eventually when left to fester is translated even to the dehumanisation and mistreatment of children as WW2 showed). A soldier by profession after all aspires to distinguish himself in bravery and daring on the field of battle and this practice is anathema to that spirit (as well as all accepted norms of civilised behabiour). One possible factor in this is the perceived importance of all Israeli life compared to other forms - the necessity to avoid loss of 'precious' Israeli life leading the way to the adoption of tactics such as these.

Thanks for the link, I had missed that article.

The mounting weight of damning evidence is really incredible. However, the most unbelievable thing is it doesn't matter a damn what war crimes the Israelis perpetrate - no Western government is going to do a thing to sanction them.

The message seems to be - engage in whatever despicable war crimes you want. The rest of the world doesn't care, we'll simply spout some meaningless platitudes and donate billions when the bombs eventually stop falling in an effort to assuage our collective guilt.

How much evidence does one have to amass, and how many civilians have to be murdered and brutalised, before a country is indicted for war crimes?

[bananarepublic.ie]

Israel army rides out T-shirt row

An investigation in Haaretz daily saya the customised shirts are often ordered when troops finish training courses.

One example shows a pregnant Arab women in the cross-hairs of a sniper's sight with the legend "1 shot 2 kills".

Another design shows a child being similarly targeted with the slogan "the smaller they, are the harder it is".

In both images the people being targeted appear to be carrying weapons. A third T-shirt design shows a dead Palestinian baby and the words "Better use Durex" (condoms).

Far right joins Israel coalition

Israel's PM-designate has signed his first coalition deal, which could see controversial right-winger Avigdor Lieberman becoming foreign minister.

Benjamin Netanyahu of Likud struck the deal with Mr Leiberman's party Yisrael Beiteinu, which has been accused by some critics of anti-Arab racism.

Given the history of Jewist state formation(because of Nazi far right wing party of Germany caused holocause), it is really scary.

Now the head of Quangos (Mother of all quangos) says there is abuses..
UN accuses Israeli troops of Gaza human rights abuses

A United Nations report accused Israeli troops yesterday of using a Palestinian child as a human shield during fighting in Gaza, shooting Palestinian children, bulldozing a house with a woman and child inside and shelling a building they had ordered civilians to enter a day earlier.

The allegations, made by a group of UN human rights experts, were the latest claims against the Israeli military over its three-week campaign in Gaza at the start of the year.

Some of the most damning recent charges have been levelled by Israeli soldiers who fought in the conflict which left an estimated 1,400 Palestinians dead, most of them believed to be civilians. At the same time, there have been reports of soldiers wearing T-shirts mocking the deaths of Palestinian women and children.

I dont see any difference between HAMAS and IDF/Israeli govt. Pure evil!
I pity poor people of palestinian they need another thousand messiahs +million gods to save them from this Israeli evilness...

[Thranduil]

The message seems to be - engage in whatever despicable war crimes you want. The rest of the world doesn't care, we'll simply spout some meaningless platitudes and donate billions when the bombs eventually stop falling in an effort to assuage our collective guilt.

Well i know one thing, the IDF do not seem to care about avoiding things that bring shame to their image and create a PR headache. But then again, PR only matters when there are many newspapers and publications willing to expose it and call them to task for it, which there are not.

I almost feel embarrassed posting links to sites about Israeli abuses, embarrassed FOR Israelis, i keep thinking about how war distorts the conscience and the sense of perspective and that somehow there is an excuse somewhere, that the environment they live in has blinded them but they are not bad people underneath so i feel embarrassed for that part of them, and maybe i am hoping it will wake up. There is a madness there, hurting and humiliating children is almost designed to ensure that hatred stretches far into the distant future.

[L'Chaim]

There is an article on the use of Palestinian children as human shields by the Israeli Defence Forces in the Guardian today which comes complete with more pictorial evidence of the practice.

Gaza war crimes investigation: Guardian uncovers evidence of alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza | World news | guardian.co.uk

It is of course a war crime if proven (that is - of course - a colossal 'if' when even the decision to prosecute is influenced by politics).

Personally if true i think it makes for an especially revolting episode, the sight of armed soldiers hiding behind semi-naked and bound children speaks much of cowardice but also of racial supremacism (racial supremacism eventually when left to fester is translated even to the dehumanisation and mistreatment of children as WW2 showed). A soldier by profession after all aspires to distinguish himself in bravery and daring on the field of battle and this practice is anathema to that spirit (as well as all accepted norms of civilised behabiour). One possible factor in this is the perceived importance of all Israeli life compared to other forms - the necessity to avoid loss of 'precious' Israeli life leading the way to the adoption of tactics such as these.

The Guardian are taking their story from a UN Human Rights person who went to gaza in February, weeks after the war was over, and who compiled a one sided report. The report also says that Hamas were accused of using human shields, but surprise surprise, the UN have said they have yet to verify those accusations. The report totally ignored the role Hamas played in the war and the rocket attacks. Isn't it funny, but every time Hamas, or Hezbollah, or Islamic jihad etc. etc. has been proven to violate Human Rights, such as using human shields the exact same accusations come back accusing Israel of doing the same thing. Can't believe we haven't heard of Israel being accused of using suicide bombers yet. Maybe that'll be in the next UN report. I find it puzzling that some sections of the UN and so many other people are willing to accept, without any corroboration, every accusation made by Palestinians against Israel weeks after the so called events were supposed to happen. The war ended on Jan 18 and the people who compiled this report didn't even go to gaza until the middle of Feb. Still, never let a biased report get in the way of an objective investigation.

[lapsedmethodist]

The Guardian are taking their story from a UN Human Rights person who went to gaza in February, weeks after the war was over, and who compiled a one sided report. The report also says that Hamas were accused of using human shields, but surprise surprise, the UN have said they have yet to verify those accusations. The report totally ignored the role Hamas played in the war and the rocket attacks. Isn't it funny, but every time Hamas, or Hezbollah, or Islamic jihad etc. etc. has been proven to violate Human Rights, such as using human shields the exact same accusations come back accusing Israel of doing the same thing. Can't believe we haven't heard of Israel being accused of using suicide bombers yet. Maybe that'll be in the next UN report. I find it puzzling that some sections of the UN and so many other people are willing to accept, without any corroboration, every accusation made by Palestinians against Israel weeks after the so called events were supposed to happen. The war ended on Jan 18 and the people who compiled this report didn't even go to gaza until the middle of Feb. Still, never let a biased report get in the way of an objective investigation.

If you refuse entry to journalists how can you complain that there's a gap between
the end of your ban and the time of any report ?

And why, if you are the most moral army in the world, didn't you allow a humanitarian corridor to allow civilians, especially women and children, to leave the areas you intended to target ? If the Americans could do it in Fallujah where they faced a far superior force
what was to stop you?

And don't forget, an American general once said that Israel had a third rate army but faced tenth rate foes. Your country has changed beyond all recognition from the time I was there in 1969-70.

[yanshuf]

The Guardian's report is like a mediocre newspaper investigation.

Aall things published and allegedly framing the IDF are nothing but a circumstantial evidence.

The only thing shameful is that some here are manipulative enough so everything happening in Israel make them jump right on, and claim for war crimes.

As for the T-shirts, it's a boy holding a gun, and a woman holding a gun.

I don't see what is so outrageous to a bunch of hypocrites, when the Hamas not only uses children, but indoctrinates them to martyrdom. I never saw any cries of scandal when the pictures of children wearing Hamas militant uniform and practicing in childrengartens and schools were published.

You have no moral position to preach on Israeli actions, especially when there is no real evidence about war crimes or even wanton shootings.

Actually hypocrisy is the least I can call this.

[Asi-Irish]

Sweet Jesus, you Zionists are just unbelievable.

WE DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LIES.

[yanshuf]

WE DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LIES.

But you do believe your own.