Israeli soldiers' "cold blooded murder" of Gaza's civilians

[kintama]

The problem with you, outside the embassy, is that you have committed yourselves to promoting Hamas by all means. That means that whatever they do they are right, as your reluctance to discuss their actions (that are actually in violation of the Geneva whatever) does point to.

BTW when you, Kintama, say, and I quote: "nobody believes your denials any more", you sound like a representative of the Trotzkian faction of the Irish Left, so do be careful with generic pronouns, ah!

You don't appear to be paying attention to the views of the political parties in the Dail or the trade unions who have'nt bought into the Zionist world view.
You may console yourself that Ian Paisley Snr has been involved in setting up a Friends Of Israel group but keep an eye on both the Boycott campaign and the EuroMed Agreement. Not likely to be a lot of comfort for the Embassy in the future.

[turdsl]

The killing of over 300 children is what will not be forgotten around the world for years to come.

[Lloyd-Apjohn]

The killing of over 300 children is what will not be forgotten around the world for years to come.

Ironic how people like you never think to follow through on the above '300 children dead' comment and explain why those children were placed in the line of fire. They were not 'targeted' by the IDF. It's so easy to sit in an armchair in a western European country and judge the only country in the Middle East that offers the same freedoms we enjoy to its citizens.

The day will come when Hamas have to accept the fact that Israel is a country and that it exists. Just like the day came when the IRA had to admit that part of Ulster was a part of the UK whether they liked it or not.

Because pretending actual facts are not facts is plan stupid and childish.

[turdsl]

It is great that the world has opened its eyes to the atrocities of the IDF, the supply of weapons must be stopped to Hamas, the supply of weapons to Israel must also be stopped, The killing of 300 children has brought great shame on Israel in the eyes of the world

[L'Chaim]

It now seems that the two soldiers who made the original claims weren't actually in the locations where they claimed these things happened, and they actually saw nothing that they claimed happened and they were only repeating and exaggerating something they heard ie. gossip.

[kintama]

It now seems that the two soldiers who made the original claims weren't actually in the locations where they claimed these things happened, and they actually saw nothing that they claimed happened and they were only repeating and exaggerating something they heard ie. gossip.

Ah well thats that sorted Israel is actually very nice and not a racist, murderous state. But wait nobody from the Embassy has ever clarified why such a moral army let three toddlers starve almost to the point of death beside the bodies of their mothers. Guess who slaughtered their mothers in cold blood?

[yanshuf]

Kintama:

It is great that the world has opened its eyes to the atrocities of the IDF, the supply of weapons must be stopped to Hamas, the supply of weapons to Israel must also be stopped, The killing of 300 children has brought great shame on Israel in the eyes of the world

The child killers claim is all part of the leftist ideological glue so there would still be something to fight upon, it has no relation to reality.

Between us, you try to show a sham concern, like you really cared, when you know that the Hamas indoctrination of children to die was prevalent, is prevalent and, with your support, continue to prevail in Gaza, as long as Hamas rules.

So, saying that Israel is a child killer, while you support (as you never showed us you don't) using children as fighters, reveals your masquerade, and frankly, it reveals not just your fake care but the whole leftist one.

But don't you worry, seeing the situation as it is right now, I think that Israel has other worries, and so do your coleagues outside the embassy.

[draiocht23]

@draiocht23, your original post was accusations. That's all they were. The soldiers alleged comments came from comments supposedly made during a conversation. They were never interviewed by any journalist. The Palestinain groups in Gaza have as yet not been able to show any evidence that these things actually took place. The UN, who were also in Gaza at the time, have not been able to supply any evidence either. No evidence whatsoever and yet you are asking that people prove none of this happened? You're looking for impartial evidence that this never happened (how can anyone prove such a thing?) and yet you don't seem to insist on anything like "impartial evidence" to back up your original post. Odd that! When it comes to Israel, you're just one of these people that will accept any accusations without corroboration, and will accept them as fact.

L'Chaim the issue that you are sidestepping is the fact that the Israeli whistle-blowers' testimony confirmed the reports of a number of different agencies - everyone from Human Rights Watch to the UN - about the conduct of Israel during this war.

Israel's military fired white phosphorus over crowded areas of Gaza repeatedly and indiscriminately in its three-week war, killing and injuring civilians and committing war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today.

In a 71-page report, the rights group said the repeated use of air-burst white phosphorus artillery shells in populated areas of Gaza was not incidental or accidental, but revealed "a pattern or policy of conduct".
It said the Israeli military used white phosphorus in a "deliberate or reckless" way.

The report says:
• Israel was aware of the dangers of white phosphorus.
• It chose not to use alternative and less dangerous smoke shells.
• In one case, Israel even ignored repeated warnings from UN staff before hitting the main UN compound in Gaza with white phosphorus shells on 15 January.

Human Rights Watch reveals extent of Israel's phosphorus use in Gaza | World news | guardian.co.uk

A special U.N. investigator says Israel's military assault on the densely populated Gaza Strip appears to constitute a war crime. Human rights expert Richard Falk is calling for an independent investigation into possible war crimes committed by Israel and the Hamas authorities in the Palestinian Occupied Territory. Falk submitted his report to the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva.

In his 26-page report to the U.N. Human Rights Council, U.N. Investigator Richard Falk, accuses Israel of launching attacks that are inherently unlawful and would constitute a war crime under international law.

He calls the Israeli attacks a massive assault on a densely populated urbanized setting an inhumane form of warfare that kills, maims and inflicts mental harm on an entire civilian population.

VOA News - UN Rights Expert Accuses Israel of War Crimes

More independent detailed evidence has been produced, not least a month-long investigation from the Guardian.

The Guardian has compiled detailed evidence of alleged war crimes committed by Israel during the 23-day offensive in the Gaza Strip earlier this year, involving the use of Palestinian children as human shields and the targeting of medics and hospitals.


A month-long investigation also obtained evidence of civilians being hit by fire from unmanned drone aircraft said to be so accurate that their operators can tell the colour of the clothes worn by a target.


The testimonies form the basis of three Guardian films which add weight to calls this week for a full inquiry into the events surrounding Operation Cast Lead, which was aimed at Hamas but left about 1,400 Palestinians dead, including more than 300 children.

Gaza war crimes investigation: Guardian uncovers evidence of alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza | World news | guardian.co.uk

Just because you don't like the evidence that has been amassed doesn't mean it doesn't exist L'Chaim.

And again, the IDF simple saying that this didn't happen, despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary, and expecting credence from the international community - is, frankly, farcical.

[yanshuf]

Gaza war crimes investigation: Guardian uncovers evidence of alleged Israeli war crimes in Gaza | World news | guardian.co.uk

Just because you don't like the evidence that has been amassed doesn't mean it doesn't exist L'Chaim.

And again, the IDF simple saying that this didn't happen, despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary, and expecting credence from the international community - is, frankly, farcical.

There is no evidence! what wealth of evidence? Those organisations gathering the alleged evidence are those who have a specific anti-israeli agenda.

Wwhen you get this fact into your head, you'll understand that the evidence is based on Pallywood claims, and your relying on it is nothing but a superficial way to ram Israel.

As for the claims coming from Israeli soldiers, it was exaggerated. Like you, the anti-israelis here, exaggerate about the T-shirts.

Simple and shallow, nothing more could be expected from you.

Wwhat your hearsay

[draiocht23]

There is no evidence! what wealth of evidence? Those organisations gathering the alleged evidence are those who have a specific anti-israeli agenda.

Wwhen you get this fact into your head, you'll understand that the evidence is based on Pallywood claims, and your relying on it is nothing but a superficial way to ram Israel.

As for the claims coming from Israeli soldiers, it was exaggerated. Like you, the anti-israelis here, exaggerate about the T-shirts.

Simple and shallow, nothing more could be expected from you.

Wwhat your hearsay

Everytime you are presented with anything here, that remotely calls into question Israel's actions in Gaza, you dismiss it as, you say, it stems from organisations with an "anti Israel agenda".

So Human Rights Watch, the UN, and an independent newspaper investigation - all are tarred as being somehow anti-Israeli.

It really doesn't matter what I present here - you will continue to use your lazy "they're all out to get us" argument.

For a nation so interested in presenting the unvarnished evidence, it's really quite surprising that Israel kept international journalists out of Gaza for the duration of the war.