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    Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    Hi,
    I just I came across this report on Iran from the Freedom Institute: http://www.freedominst.org/Iran2004.pdf
    The report has this corker of a line: 'What should certainly be worrying is the fact that the stockpiles of nuclear weapons in Iraq were discovered only after the 1991 Gulf War'
    Is this for real? Did Iraq actually have a stockpike of nukes?? I cant ever recall coming across any mentions of them having a working nuke,sure they had designs etc but a stockpile!!
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    They don't need to actually find nukes. They only need to have wanted to find them, and searched for them for a while. That's the way it works. For Conservaties.

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    Re: Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by nixmix
    Hi,
    I just I came across this report on Iran from the Freedom Institute: http://www.freedominst.org/Iran2004.pdf
    The report has this corker of a line: 'What should certainly be worrying is the fact that the stockpiles of nuclear weapons in Iraq were discovered only after the 1991 Gulf War'
    Is this for real? Did Iraq actually have a stockpike of nukes?? I cant ever recall coming across any mentions of them having a working nuke,sure they had designs etc but a stockpile!!
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    on your blog you say -
    Iran has every right to develop whatever it wants. Even if it wants nuclear weapons.
    didnt it rescind that right when it ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970?
    dont you think that an undemocratic country shouldnt be allowed to make such decisions without the consent of its people?
    do you think the Irish government has the right to develop nuclear weapons without regard for what its public wants?

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    that link is hilarous!

    its full of so much crap that i laughed my head off.

    the cia orchastrated the paris riots...
    its a plan devised by cheny and haliburton...yeah, they're the ones starting the nuclear program in iran!
    the US/Israel are carving out an empire of middle east and south asia...
    lebanon not "legitimately" controlled by syria anymore but by israel who actually assassinated hariri....
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    Re: Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by watch-this-drive
    Quote Originally Posted by nixmix
    Hi,
    I just I came across this report on Iran from the Freedom Institute: http://www.freedominst.org/Iran2004.pdf
    The report has this corker of a line: 'What should certainly be worrying is the fact that the stockpiles of nuclear weapons in Iraq were discovered only after the 1991 Gulf War'
    Is this for real? Did Iraq actually have a stockpike of nukes?? I cant ever recall coming across any mentions of them having a working nuke,sure they had designs etc but a stockpile!!
    Cheers
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    on your blog you say -
    Iran has every right to develop whatever it wants. Even if it wants nuclear weapons.
    didnt it rescind that right when it ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970?
    dont you think that an undemocratic country shouldnt be allowed to make such decisions without the consent of its people?
    do you think the Irish government has the right to develop nuclear weapons without regard for what its public wants?
    where'd you get the impression that Iran was an undemocratic country ? If memory serves me correct, wasn't there Presidential elections there a short time ago.

    And as for a government buyng/developing weapons without regard for its public, the Irish Army has been tooling up on expensive weaponry for the last few years (so that they can take part in EU battlegroups), and I was certainly never asked if I wanted them or not.

    As for CIA intelligence (the ultimate oxymoron), we all know about the "stockpiles of Iraqi nuclear weapons" don't we. Lets be honest here, the sabre rattling towards the Iranians at the moment has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, as if it had, why hasn't India and Pakistan been threatened with invasion, never mind the Chinese.

    Its got more to do with Irans stated aim to demand payment for its oil in Euro's instead of dollars from later this year, and its aim to create a separate oil exchange, away from London, which other Middle Eastern countries have shown an interest in signing up to.

    Thats why the US invaded Iraq too, not a heap of crap about human rights and democracy.

    Its all about the dollar kids. Turn off the "Petro-dollar" cycle and the US goes down the tubes.
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    Re: Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by rockofcashel
    where'd you get the impression that Iran was an undemocratic country ? If memory serves me correct, wasn't there Presidential elections there a short time ago.
    of the 8,157 entrants for the last elections 2,530 were banned and not allowed to stand (31%), this is power structure of Iran

    -Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: Appointed for life, overrides all other authorities
    -Guardians Council: Half chosen by Khamenei, responsible for vetting election candidates and laws
    -President Mohammad Khatami: Elected for four years, power can be circumscribed by clerics
    -Parliament: 290 members introduce and pass laws, subject to approval

    if Ireland had the same power structure would you consider us democratic?

    And as for a government buyng/developing weapons without regard for its public, the Irish Army has been tooling up on expensive weaponry for the last few years (so that they can take part in EU battlegroups), and I was certainly never asked if I wanted them or not.
    dont you agree that increased Irish military spending on conventional hardware is a universe away from Bertie deciding to develop nuclear weapons?
    do you think Bertie could even authorise the building of a nuclear power plant without consultation?

    if the Irish government is held to the highest standards why isnt Irans?
    they arent even held to lowest standards and you ask why they are undemocratic?

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    Re: Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    on your blog you say -

    Iran has every right to develop whatever it wants. Even if it wants nuclear weapons.

    didnt it rescind that right when it ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970?
    dont you think that an undemocratic country shouldnt be allowed to make such decisions without the consent of its people?
    do you think the Irish government has the right to develop nuclear weapons without regard for what its public wants?
    What I am trying to address there is the hypocrisy that certain countries are allowed to have WMD with no international outcy.
    No Government should have the right to develop any WMD irrespective of public opinion.
    However,I think given the sabre rattling coming from US and Israel it is understandable that they may want to have nukes. Why should the US and its allys hold all the aces?
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    Re: Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by nixmix

    What I am trying to address there is the hypocrisy that certain countries are allowed to have WMD with no international outcy.
    No Government should have the right to develop any WMD irrespective of public opinion.
    However,I think given the sabre rattling coming from US and Israel it is understandable that they may want to have nukes. Why should the US and its allys hold all the aces?
    so you agree that Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons and you have reconsidered what you wrote on your blog?

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    Re: Iraq-stockpile of nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by watch-this-drive
    Quote Originally Posted by nixmix

    What I am trying to address there is the hypocrisy that certain countries are allowed to have WMD with no international outcy.
    No Government should have the right to develop any WMD irrespective of public opinion.
    However,I think given the sabre rattling coming from US and Israel it is understandable that they may want to have nukes. Why should the US and its allys hold all the aces?
    so you agree that Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons and you have reconsidered what you wrote on your blog?
    Like I said,I was trying to highlight the hypocrisy whereby US allies are allowed to possess WMD and no one else is. In an ideal world no one has the right to posses nukes but we dont live in an ideal world.
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