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    Why the Israeli people have finally had enough

    Why the Israeli people have finally had enough - Ian O'Doherty - Independent.ie

    So, it's genocide now, is it? Or is it actually another holocaust, something which one typically restrained Palestinian analyst described as "worse than Hitler's war against the Jews"?

    Are we watching the ethnic cleansing of an entire people? Are we witnessing the deliberate eradication of a race?

    Well, no actually, we're not.

    Yet the conventional dinner party wisdom which we've had to put up with in the media, both here in Ireland and generally across Britain, is that somehow Israel is the aggressor in the rapidly worsening situation in Gaza. As a friend of mine from Sderot pointed out, one of its favourite tactics is to launch Qassams from Palestinian schoolyards -- while the schools are still in session.

    Hamas does this, you see, knowing that the IDF can't immediately strike back (they can vector a rocket launch site within 90 seconds) because the last thing the Israelis need is footage of a devastated Palestinian school with dead kids.

    And, over the last week, we have seen carefully manipulated footage of dead civilians, with the fact that they were effectively used as human shields conveniently ignored. When Israel pulled out of Gaza -- ironically, the last battalion of IDF troops to leave Gaza contained some people from Sderot -- they were acceding to international and internal pressure. The doves on the Left said it was to prove to Palestinians that they wanted to give Palestinians independence, the hawks on the Right -- and there are some truly scary right-wingers in Israel, even as ardent a supporter of the country as I am will freely admit that -- prophesied that it would lead to carnage.

    And, lo and behold, virtually as soon as the last jeep left Gaza the rockets started. And then the blockade began, and the whole damn mess started all over again.

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    Only the O'Reilly gutter press could print such simplistic propaganda and pass it as educated opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggressivesecularist View Post
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    I'm tired. I don't want to have a fight with Toxic over the Cod War.

    Lock the thread, please. I need a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian O'Doherty
    Here in the West, where we share the same values as Israel, we need to start standing shoulder with this tiny oasis of democracy in a vast desert of savagery
    I hope I can be forgiven for a sense of bemusement at being told we share the values as the State of Israel that has killed 900 people in the present offensive.

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    Bad start, quoting Ian O'Cokehead.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexAG View Post
    So, it's genocide now, is it?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexAG View Post
    Or is it actually another holocaust, something which one typically restrained Palestinian analyst described as "worse than Hitler's war against the Jews"?
    Ranking holocausts is odious. All genocides are of equal horror to all people who hold all human life in equal regard. But yes, it is another holocaust.

    Quote Originally Posted by TexAG View Post
    Are we watching the ethnic cleansing of an entire people?
    Yes, we are.

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    Are we witnessing the deliberate eradication of a race?
    We are witnessing the deliberate eradication of the indigenous people from their own land.
    Hope that clears up your confusion and answers your questions. Thanks for asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    I hope I can be forgiven for a sense of bemusement at being told we share the values as the State of Israel that has killed 900 people in the present offensive.

    I dont want to have anything to do with a state that blows up schools in session.

    O'Doherty is entitled to his opinion.
    However his opinion comes in the form of half baked hackery, at his very best.
    He is a poor mans Kevin Myers.

    The Israeli government keeps the people of Gaza in semi-permanent imprisonment. Their economy is smashed. People are living in abject poverty, with sewage running everywhere.
    They are treating people like animals, and then they wonder why missiles land in Sderot?

    I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for the ordinary palestinian than I do for the Israeli reservist trundeling through their streets today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meriwether2 View Post
    They are treating people like animals, and then they wonder why missiles land in Sderot?
    I don't think there is any cause and effect in that.

    The people of Gaza elected Hamas to Government them. Hamas exists with the express aim of destroying the State of Israel.

    Had the people of Gaza elected their Government on the basis of what it would do re. their standard of living, they probably wouldn't be in the mess they are in.

    This isn't an endorsement of what Israel is doing, more an argument that the propensity of Hamas to launch missiles at Sderot is not a function of the standards of living in Gaza.
    A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.

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    Instead of discussing things about the Israelis and Palestinians how about we just say anyone who is pro-Israel is obviously Islamophobic, racist and anti-Arab. Turn the whole "if you are against the bombing of Gaza you are obviously the next Hitler" thing against them.

    How about we start with the BNP supports Israel's right to exist.
    ?Israel?s Gaza Affair? by BNP Leader Nick Griffin : The British National Party

    So anyone who supports Israel's right to exist is in league with the BNP!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggressivesecularist View Post
    Calm down fool, I have access to Wikipedia too.

    You can read? Wonders will never cease...

    Iceland will fight, Iceland will be right!....

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    Last edited by stringjack; 12th January 2009 at 04:39 PM. Reason: Duplicate thread.

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