The truth about Israel

[Riadach]

That's not a translation though, but rather a summary from a less than disinterested source. I'm trying to look for the original article now on JCPA.

[yanshuf]

ok, though he said in the last site there wasn't a translated article on the net.

[Twilight]

Glancing through the posts, (I read Pilger) it answered a question I used often ask before I grew older and knew what evil people do, and the question was, why did the world allow the German concentration camps, why was there a silence, long before the war broke out, on what was happening? And it happened again, and again and again and again. And for more than half a century we have watched the Israelis do the same to the Palestinians, and still, we hear the voices of those who deny the evil. Why is that do you think? Perhaps its because they cannot deny themselves?

[Trampas]

and the question was, why did the world allow the German concentration camps, why was there a silence, long before the war broke out, on what was happening?

Probably because they were "concentration camps". By the time they became extermination camps "the world" was hardly in a position to influence the regime.

[jcdf]

Ridiculous comparison when you see how impotent Egypt is in the situation.
How complicit so many of the Arab states are in the plight of the Palestinians.
How the world super powers all back Israel, the USA and Britain etc.
Your comparison is the usual fear mongering that bogited islamophobia conjures.

You have a very real notion of the situation in this part of the world. The situation is not at all simple. It is not just the Israels vs Palestinians but also includes all of the Neighbouring countries Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan that tried to invade Israel and failed. It also includes the countries of the Arabian peninsula who have become wildly religious and disproportionally powerful due to unearned wealth (oil). It also includes all of the other countries in the World who have become addicted and dependent on oil and whom do not at all want a major war in the middle east.

Today in the Irish Times Eoghan Harris has unambiguously supported Israel.

He has previously given his support to the USSR, David Trimble, Bertie Ahern, and unfortunately for me, Waterford hurling last September.

I suspect Israel will last 12 more months.

What a load of rubbish! Who is going to destroy Israel? The other middle eastern countries could not destroy Israel when it was much weaker than it is now. Even if they could muster the will power, which is unlikely, how could they destroy Israel?

I've always liked Pilger

Not me! I agree with some of what he says

It's amazing how people march against Israel and think by doing so they are doing their bit to support human rights etc and yet the very people they claim to be marching in favour - ie the Muslims - are the same people who hang gay people, stone women to death, abuse women, marry 10 year girls to 58 year men, refuse to allow women to drive a car, abort and murder handicapped or special needs people.

The same moraons who have pictures of Che or Fidel on t-shirts and conveniently forget that Che was a vicious murderer who personally killed opponents and that Fidel tortures and murders his oppenents still. Go ask a Cuban who lives in Cuba how wonderful they think Fidel is.

If Churchhill and others like him who were clued in enough to see the horror of the Nazis were alive now they'd be so disappointed at this generation of 'liberals' who have had it so easy all their lives that they can't see the potential evil of Islam right in front of their eyes.

Islam has no roon for living in peace with Jews - anywhere. Nor incidentially does it have any room for living in peace with anyone else.

So I wonder how long it will take for the penny to drop that we in the West have to stand up for our rights and way of life and support Israel and I'm sorry if that means Palestinians die then tough. Do you think they'd give a moments thought to the deaths of Israelis from their rockets?

The naivity and stupidity of the type of people who sit in their comfy armchairs in stable and secure western democratic countries and fail to support Israel is amazing.

If Muslims want to hang gay people, stone women to death, abuse women, marry 10 year girls to 58 year men, refuse to allow women to drive a car, abort and murder handicapped or special needs people then they should be allowed to. They are after all only hurting themselves.
Earl of Desmond you seem to believe that the Muslims poss a threat to us in some way. I think you underestimate how weak and powerless the Muslim world really is.

So you really think if Israel never exisited that there would be a state of Palestine and it would be some osrt of modern utopia?

I pity the fool who believes that because if Israel never exisited there'd be no Palestine either. The land that it is claimed for Palestine would have been swallowed up by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and most of what is now Israel would be in Transjordon and all those countries would be as repressed and corrupt as they are now.


The silence from Palestinians - they can still be angry at Israel - about what Hamas is doing can only mean that they support Hamas and if Hamas are at war then bad things happen in a war - do you think WW2 would have been won if the Allies had to think about German civilians.

Do you think Hamas will think twice about where it fires a rocket to minimise ISraeli civilians? Will they f**k.

Of course not, you are right to believe there would be no Palestine if there was no Israel. There would not be!
Comparing the current situation to WWII is inaccurate. They are nothing alike. I am sick of people making comparisons between Hamas, Israel and the Nazis.

Yes I do, I'm afraid I can't agree that there is such a thing as a Palestinian civilian because I have not seen - nor has anyone presented me with - any evidence to prove there there is such a thing as a moderate Palestinian.

How while you are getting all hysterial I would also point out that I get no joy from such deaths but rather I am not naive enough or deluding myself that Muslims want to live in peace with me.

I realise that will offend you but I hope if I were alive in the 1930s and 1940s I would have had the humanity to help Jewish people and others escape or hide from the Nazis. So today I go on marches to support Israel and I'm not afraid to say I support Israel and it's fight for the western way of life.

I think you are wrong here Earl of Desmond. Knowing human nature, I think it is impossible for there not to be moderate Palestinians. I think most Palestinians like most uneducated people in the world are ignorant. Subsequently they are used and abused by people abroad.

Every subsequent “war” Israel has waged has had the same objective: the expulsion of the native people and the theft of more and more land.

An awful lot of trouble for a very small lump of land. Would it not have been easier and cheaper just to buy the land off someone else. What Pilger is saying is that for the past half century the Israels have been planning to steal all the land in the West bank and Gaza by intimidating the locals into leaving. This is their plan? If this is true, the Israels must be the dumbest people on Earth. At least when China makes pledges to swallow up Taiwan, it makes sense. Since Taiwan is valuable. Gaza and the West bank are not!

If that is how things are, we are diminished as a civilised society. For what happens in Gaza is the defining moment of our time

No it most certainly is not! I rarely post on these Israeli/Palestine threads.

[cathal maguidhir]

Norman G. Finkelstein

[Clanrickard]

If Muslims want to hang gay people, stone women to death, abuse women, marry 10 year girls to 58 year men, refuse to allow women to drive a car, abort and murder handicapped or special needs people then they should be allowed to. They are after all only hurting themselves.
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Undoubtedly the most stupid post I have read for a while. They are not hurting themselves. The savages who impose Sharia Law should be taken out so that the population at large can live some kind of normal civilized life. The Free World should never ever accept people living under tyranny.

[cathal maguidhir]

some is real ees
have a good laf
at the dieing Palestinians
Gaza Massacre decembre 2008 janvier 2009 photos