Is Irish Left comparable with Nazi Ideology?

[hopi watcher]

and what would you think we should have done? Let barrages of rockets on our towns?

This was and still is unacceptable in any country, but Israel must accept it.

No, reslove the core issue in the region and come to terms with them. Should the Palestinians accept being treated like non humans in perpetuity?

[yanshuf]

No, reslove the core issue in the region and come to terms with them. Should the Palestinians accept being treated like non humans in perpetuity?

should Israel accept genocidal attempts from them in perpetuity?

They have never even once tried to make peace with us, and I'm now talking about Hamas.

They don't want to talk to us. And we don't need to talk to someone whose main aim is to blow us up!

You have your reasons to protect the Hamas regime, but as an Israeli, it's unacceptable to me.

[turdsl]

Israel does not need any help to demonise itself,it succeeded very well on its own efforts
yesterday with the murder of the children.

[Riadach]

should Israel accept genocidal attempts from them in perpetuity?

They have never even once tried to make peace with us, and I'm now talking about Hamas.

They don't want to talk to us. And we don't need to talk to someone whose main aim is to blow us up!

You have your reasons to protect the Hamas regime, but as an Israeli, it's unacceptable to me.

There has been more people killed in a single weekend on Irish roads than killed by Hamas rocket attacks. I would hardly describe the RSA as having a genocidal intent.

If you are going to bandy that term around till it becomes meaningless, then I suggest first you consider that on killing 700 individuals Israel might be closer to committing genocide than Hamas.

[Xipe Totec]

Reposted from here because dead-on dave closed it:



"I am on the rock and then I check a stock
I have to run like a fugitive to save the life I live
Im gonna be iron like a lion in zion
Iron lion zion..."

What you need to know is the lesson that you need to learn and which you will eventually realize even though you seem to struggle with now.. It was a bad idea to fire rockets into Israel and expect to not get hit back hard. It was wrong to underestimate how hard you would be hit back. You are learning it now, slowly. You are crying as if you were done injustice, but you fired rockets (well, not you specifically but the organization which holds the same ideology and train of thought as you) into Israel and didn't expect what was coming.. and you think that because you got it worse than you expected its "disproportionate"? Well, you are learning the new and proper proportions. Once you learn this lesson you will be more prepared for future interaction with Israel.

"Im on the run but I aint got no gun
See they want to be the star
So they fighting tribal war
And they saying iron like a lion in zion
Iron like a lion in zion,
Iron lion zion..."

It is deeply regrettable that Palestinian civilians are dying as a result of the actions of their leaders in Gaza. When will the ordinary Palestinian people reject terrorism and those who propose it as a solution and ebbrace peace and co-existence? In the meantime, Israel must conmtinue to bring justice to those who want to kill civilians...

"Im on the rock, (running and you running)
I take a stock, (running like a fugitive)
I had to run like a fugitive just to save the life I live
Im gonna be iron like a lion in zion (repeat)..."

Israel are bringing the only justice that Hamas understand. The justice of the sword. Hamas and Iran thought that Israel had gone soft after the debacle of Lebanon. They're learning not to underestimate Israel again :-D

"Iron lion zion, iron lion zion, iron lion zion
Iron like a lion in zion, iron like a lion in zion
Iron like a lion in zion"

I hope for the safe return of all the IDF soilders and personnel. I hope they achieve their goal of wiping out Hamas.

If Palestinians want peace then they better start asking ofr peace and taking to the streets to show the world that Hamas is not acting on their behalf because as long as anger is only directed at Israel then the logical conclusion is that that means Palestinian people do support terrorists.

Remember all the people who bent over backwards to justify what Germany was doing - the same mentality is now appeasing the Palestinians and deflecting away onto Israel as they are too scared to call Islam for what it is as they don't want Muslim nutter running wild killing people. But sooner or later the world will have to confront Muslim terrorism just as it had to confront the Nazis.

[Xipe Totec]

right now objecteev is defending the bombing of schools used as official refugee centres

[JollyRedGiant]

I'm an Israeli working class, and I am perfectly represented by LP.

The Israeli LP supports US Imperialsim - and while you might consider yourself represented by them - the reality is that the ILP offer no solution to the working class of the Middle East (Israeli or Arab) other than more war, destruction and death.

As for the right of Israelis to self determination, when you organise a boycott call, when you try to harm Israelis - working class or not - it's far from being legitimate in my eyes. It contradicts the recognition in our right to self-determination and it's trying to interfere with internal matters of a democratic state.

The SP does not and never has called for a boycott of Israeli goods.

What you do in Ireland, with the delegimisation of Israel, if we did it here, it would be considered an incitement.

again you assume everyone on the Irish Left operate in this fashion - not the case.

The small chats - comparing us to Nazis intentionally, not Chinese, Russians, Zimbabwean, Turkish or any other nationalities, only Israelis specifically - are an attempt to outcast Israel, while you have many many others in the world worse than Israel, but most of them are close to the Left.

see above -

The Irish left getting closer to dictatorships and dark movements in the world, does make unfriendly gestures towards Israel.

And again

It is a manner of behaviour, that is quite common to the European left, but in Ireland it turns a little more extreme.

And again - To be clear - The Socialist Party in Ireland and it's sister group in Israel (Maavak Sozialisti - úðåòú îàá÷ ñåöéàìéñèé) do not support the current Israeli state - just as we don't support the current Irish state - they are both facets of capitalism - we support the rights of working class people to self-determination.

Specifically in relation to Israel - from Maavak Sozialisti -

We have consistently explained that the Palestinian masses and the Israeli Jewish working class would never achieve genuine stability and prosperity as a result of the capitalist peace process which Oslo represented. We argue for the overthrow of Israeli capitalism and the Arab elites in the Middle East through a revolutionary struggle by the working class and oppressed masses of the region. We campaign for such a movement to be committed to the objective of a socialist Palestine and a socialist Israel as part of a voluntary socialist confederation of the Middle East - a voluntary association of different socialist states where all the rights of ethnic, national, and religious minorities would be guaranteed.

Socialism is the only possible way out of the death and misery for the masses of the Middle East.

[yanshuf]

Socialism is the only possible way out of the death and misery for the masses of the Middle East.

The dismantling of Islam is the way out of the death and misery for the masses.

[louis bernard]

The dismantling of Islam is the way out of the death and misery for the masses.

“The dismantling of Islam” now I know you are mad, (as well as being an excuser for child abuse and murder)

[Riadach]

The dismantling of Islam is the way out of the death and misery for the masses.

It was Islam that brought millions of jews to the middle east?