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There is an abundance of (hopeful) speculation in these claims by l'chaim .
More 'would' there than in a timber yardThere 'would' be a huge range of differences of opinions among Zionists about the plight of the ' palestinian people' . B'Tselem is a Zionist human rights group (or 'would' have a lot of Zionist members) and they are very critical of the Israeli government and IDF in regards to Palestinian human rights. many many Zionists 'would' be critical or disagree with the way things are with regard to the Israel-palestinian conflict. Many others 'would' be very supportive of the IDF and the government.
Note also the lack of respect for the Palestinian People .
Originally Posted by Murph
Actaully no, it's a Zionist who claimed that Palestinians don't exist. And to boot he's going round calling everyone else anti-semite and racist. Ironic isn't it.
"Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
- Terry Pratchett
I've given you examples of Zionists who would be critical of IDF policy and Israeli government policy regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict, but you're still insisting you have never heard a Zionist speak out against the degradation of the palestinian people. Of course you have (if you know anything about this conflict), but maybe you just choose to ignore it. In addition to the examples I already gave, Richard Goldstone, who wrote the recent UN report on the Cast Lead conflict is a Zionist. So of course you've heard of the Zionists who are very critical of Israel's government.
Now when you lump everyone in together (like you do when you refer to 'Zionists') and speak of them all in a negative way then that's racism. Now I know you understand that, but you keep obfuscating and trying to muddy the water, because you won't accept where your comments are based. And there's nothing new in my post because I'm not letting you off the hook for your comments that are based in racism, discrimination and anti-semitism
1.As I ALREADY said, any Zionist who speaks against the treatment by the IDF or Israeli government against the Palestinians is in the minority. Do you agree?
2. Why wont you accecpt the Oxford English Dictionary's definition of racism?
Zionism
by
Donald Dinelli, M.A.
Lobbying: Zionist money in Washington In the Beginning
Zionism is a movement started, partly in response to Russion pogroms, by a number of European Jews in the 1890's. At the first Zionist conference which was convened in 1897 in Basel, Switzerland, and lead by Theodor Herzl, a tenacious, Austrian Jew, the 197 Jewish delegates passed the following resolution: "Zionism seeks to secure a publically recognized, legally secured home in Palestine for the Jewish people."1 These Jews formed an organization called the World Zionist Organization, later just called the Jewish Agency or Jewish Committee. By 1914 the Zionists had 127,000 dues paying members world-wide.2 Today, you can find a chapter of the Jewish Agency in every Jewish community throughout the world.
Without delay the Zionists set out to implement their mission of removing Palestinians from the land. They set up "the Fund" or "the Jewish National Fund" to buy land from under the Palestinians' noses and deposited it in a trust which allowed only Jews to use or rent it. Most Palestinians at this time were peasants working the land of rich, absentee, Arab landlords. Theodor Herzl avowed: "We shall try to spirit the penniless (Palestinian) population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in Palestine ... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly," 3 From the beginning of Zionism this was the essence of Zionist policy: use Jewish money, collected from throughout the world, to run the Palestinians out of Palestine by buying their land and/or their jobs. If that didn't work the Zionists would use the money to terrorize the Palestinians into fleeing or kill them.
Out of a population of 1,000,000 people in 1897 Palestine, only 5% - 50,000 - were Jewish. Those few Jews reacted negatively to Zionism. They neither saw the need for a Jewish state in Palestine, not did they want to exacerbate relations with the Palestinian Arabs. At this time in the Holy Land, religions lived together in relative harmony - a harmony only disrupted when the Zionists began to claim that Palestine was the 'rightful' possession of the 'Jewish people' to the exclusion of its Muslim and Christian inhabitants.
ZionismExplained.org/Zionism: History and Effects
"The Press is already in our hands. Not a single announcement will reach the public without our control. This we have already attained in part through our control of those agencies by which all news items must pass. We shall put out our own journals, disguised as coming from elsewhere so that readers will in effect be following the flag we hang out for them; these will even be allowed to feign attacks on us, to convince people they are reading a free press. Let them discuss themselves silly!"
[QUOTE=edg;2188239]Hitler, Tatcher and Bush were leaders of right wing governments.
Lefties like you always come with the Hitler anytime they hear of anything rightwing; after all, it’s the only thing the left have in their little arsenal. Sorry but rightwing conservative views are not synopsis with Hitler worship. ‘Communism is a lefty movement’, it taken far more lives than Nazism, but off topic now.
Bush was not the leader of a rightwing government, bush was only a clueless idiot noting more, he also filled the US up full of Mexicans that mostly commit crimes and fill up the countries jails , some right-winger he is yeah! Thatcher rightwing? Were do you get that horse******************** from? If she had of being rightwing she would have kicked out the millions of Irish out of the UK and sent them back home, if you had a brain you your head you would know that.
The Irish brought more negatives to the UK than positives, they bombed it killing 100s of innocent people and caused millions worth of damage, everywhere the Irish settled in the UK in large numbers they subsequently multiplied and turned into asbo ghettos filling the UK up with nackers. Just look at most Irish areas of the UK like Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Hammersmith, they all bare the hall marks of the asbo ghettos we have in our own country like ballymun and southill. Most of the chavs in the UK are not really English at all, but mostly of old Irish and recent Irish stock, the millions of people of Irish extraction in the UK mostly vote for the left and the far left, the fact that Thatcher or any British have put up with such garbage and being so tolerant of it does not make them right-wing in anyway.
What you originally said was "I (you) have never seen or heard of ANY Zionist call out against the treatment of the palestinian people. Have you (me)?". So now at least you recognise that that was a dumb ass quote from you.......and not true. At least we are getting somewhere, even though you can't bring yourself to admit you were wrong. But hey, people who have opinions based in racism rarely admit they are wrong.
I do accept the Oxford English Dictionary definition of racism. However Racism also has a lot of sub headings/groups that come under the racism umbrella. And when you lump millions of people from Israel and all over the world and speak of them all in a negative way i.e. " I (You) call members of the Zionist party Zionists" and you went on to say you "don't like them". Then you went on to compare them to Nazis. You then went on to say "they all (Zionists) support the degradation of the palestinian people". If you think like that and you use those quotes as you speaking your mind, then those quotes are based in racism, discrimination and anti-Semitism.
And here we have that cowardly racist claim again .
Get this straight in your head l'chaim ,
Zionists are not an ethnic group .
"The Press is already in our hands. Not a single announcement will reach the public without our control. This we have already attained in part through our control of those agencies by which all news items must pass. We shall put out our own journals, disguised as coming from elsewhere so that readers will in effect be following the flag we hang out for them; these will even be allowed to feign attacks on us, to convince people they are reading a free press. Let them discuss themselves silly!"
OK, I will admit that a small minority of Zionists will speak out against the abuses that are being carried out by other Zionists against the Palestinians.
But do you admit that the VAST MAJORITY of Zionists do not speak up against the cruel treatment of the Palestinians by the Zionists?
You dont have to admit that not caring for a certain political idea is not racist. Every single dictionary in the world will back me up on that one.
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