The link you posted goes to a dodgey looking site that might as well be called jewwatch.com, with stories about Holocaust 'hoaxes'. That's why I say holocaust deniers. Sorry if you're not but the site is highly suspect. I get your point about a victim mentality but again given the source...Originally Posted by zebedee bong
"Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
- Terry Pratchett
I disagree, if the site was highly suspect then it would be shut down and the owners would be sued for disinformation and hate crimes ect, I am sure the F.B.I would take a close interest in bogus claims in the public domain.
My apologies for not presenting a MSM link but you know how it is.
I'll desist from posting anymore on this thread despite the inflaming title.
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1. It was either you are your mate Yanshuf who denied the existence of Palestinians! I HOPE all other Zionists dont think like you or Yanshuf. If they dont, then you are a very poor representation of Zionism and are souring their name by denying the existence of Palestinians.
2. I was going to say that Zionists are not a race therefore it is not racist to critisise them. But it looks like there have been a few others here to point that out to you.
Well you're the one that lumped all Zionists together and said "The thing I (you) don't like about Zionists is that they all support the degradation of the Palestinian people". That's a racist comment. Your comments about Zionists, which I high lighted in previous posts in this thread, are based in anti-semitism, discrimination and racism
The Caped Code:
Any criticism? Or maybe any criticism that is 1. baseless and 2. a criticism directed ONLY against Israel!You hide behind your religion. And so does L'Chaim. Any critism fo your political ideology is met with 'anti-semite, anti semite'. Yoou both act is if the fact that you are jewish precludes you from committing atrocities or being evil. Keep chasing your tail muppet, hatemonger.
Baseless, as it's based on Hamas controlled and HRW controlled data.
Criticism directed against Israel only: there's no threads against Hamas (there have been more than 75 threads against Israel from the beginning of this year alone, and that without taking to account the "nukes" threads and other boards).
1+2= antisemitism.
I don't act as if anything precludes us from committing anything. I stated that war is war and in war the game is different, and that in war mistakes happen.
And I also stated that this all war is both the blame of Hamas and its supporters, thus the Irish Left (Mairead Maguire and such).
I can cope all right, the problem is not with what you said, though you do have posts (like post 453) that give your overtone towards zionists. The problem is with your tacit support to other posters who deny Jews right to exist in Israel.Can you provide a quote were I said that. Another imaginary arguement because you cannot cope with actaul posts. I've said nothing on this post about Jewish self determination. I've said nothing about the right of Israel to exist as a State. Can't you find a better strawman than that. Of course not. Your limted list of premade responses probably doesn't cover it.
Now let's see to what EU antisemitism definition you fall:
Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:
- Denying the Jewish people their right to selfdetermination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
No, you haven't said anything, you tacitly supported what others here said.I've said nothing about the right of Israel to exist as a State.
It seems that when you don't like someone's post you usually spell it out loud, so it would be a rough guess that you don't reject the content of those posts.
As for denying so called "Palestinian" right to exist, as soon as they would recognise mine, I'll be thinking of recognising theirs. They can have as many entities as they want but not on our expense.
And yes, you are an antisemite!
Bíonn dhá insint ar scéal!
If a so called Zionist dosent agree with the current treatment of the Palestinians they wouldnt really be a Zionist, would they?
And please explain why you think Zionism (a political concept) is now a race of people?
Do Zionists not let Chinese or black people in as they are from a diffrent race? Thats very racist.
I though you said that any critisism of Zionism is an attack on Israel and Jewish people full stop!
So does that mean you agree with his post? That any critisism of Zionism is met with "anti semite, antisemite"?
Re your first point -Of course they would. If you knew what Zionism was you would know not to make such a generalisation. Zionists come from all different backgrounds and different thoughts regarding Israel and the conflict with the Palestinians. Why even the man who led the recent UN investigation into Cast lead claims he is Zionist......or his daughter claims he is. When you generalise in a negative way, like you do, that's based in racism and discrimination and anti-semitism
Re your second point - I'm also beginning to think you don't know what racism is either. Racism isn't just about race. It covers a number of things like discrimination because of colour, culture, ethnic origin, descent, nationality, social background, political, religion, minorities, age etc. etc. etc..
And what do you mean by asking such a badly thought out question "Do Zionists not let Chinese or Black people in as they come from a different race?". I can't believe you could say such a thing. Martin Luther King was a Zionist and he was black. Personally I don't know of any Chinese Zionists, but I'm sure there are. I do know there are many black Zionists. You only have to go to Israel to see the huge amount of Black Jews that live there. And I'm sure there are many black non-Jews who are Zionists too. What sort of a dumb stupid racist thinking question was that to ask?
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So are you saying there are Zionists who protest against the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli government?
Come on!
I Know there are Zionists from a number of diffrent races!
It is you that is calling Zionism a race of its own!
Racism means discriminating against a person based only on their race. Thats where the name comes from! Check ANY dictionary.
Just like discriminating against a person based soley on age is called ageism. NOT RACISM!
People can be brought to court in Ireland for not hiring a person based on their age.
But of course you think they would be charged with racism not ageism!
Are you really that stupid that you dont even know the meaning of racism?
ffs, either you are extremely stupid or trying to wind me up.
Yes there are Zionists that would have many different thoughts on the plight of the Palestinians. Some would favour a two state solution, some would say the palestinian home is in Jordan or Syria, some would welcome peaceful coexistence, some would not, some would favour going back into gaza and some would not. Then some would say go back to 67 lines and some would not. What makes you think that all Zionists think the exact same way on all things relating to israel and the conflict with Palestinians? When you lump them all together in a negative way, like you do, then that's racism.
You really don't get it do you? Racism or racial discrimination doesn't just refer to race. It refers to all I posted above (and more). You can be racist even if you believe we are all of the same race. And your comments on Zionists are based in anti-Semitism, discrimination and racism. The funny thing is that you are not even aware of it. That's something you should address.
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