Is Irish Left comparable with Nazi Ideology?

[zebedee bong]

Reality check : "Irael is a genocidal entity that is capable of bringing our civilisation to a devastating end" ... Netanyahu's UN Speech - The Pathology Of Evil
Nazi's are bad but they are not the worst.

[edg]

You my friend are an idiot.

Jews are a race of people not just a religion. Not all practitioners of the Jewish religion are Jews and not all Jews practice the Jewish Religion. They are seperate. Tel Aviv is quite a secular city by all accounts.

As a race of people national self-determination most certainly does apply to the Jews (it also applies to the Palestinians of course but that is a different issue).

Judasism is a religon not a race. You can have chinese Jews, black and white Jews.

[Drico]

Judasism is a religon not a race. You can have chinese Jews, black and white Jews.

In religious terms yes you can and Israel has tried to use religion as a reason behind its state but that does not remove the fact that there is indeed a Jewish race of people.

To state otherwise shows incredible ignorance. To be honest is a society still very aware of the Holocaust such ignorance must surely be rooted in downright stupidity.

Ever heard of the term (anti-)semitic? It describes discrimination against Jewish people (though should also include arabs...) based in ethnicity. Please check your facts. "Jew" is both an ethnic and religious term both of which mean entirely different things.

[yanshuf]

Judasism is a religon not a race. You can have chinese Jews, black and white Jews.

So what?

Judaism is both a religion and a nation.

Jews unlike all christian, have a common history, a common language, a common aspirations - the Land of Israel, and common persecutions.

That made us a nation, and not just a religion. Just like christianity made nations throughout Europe

Spread all over the world, it's quite understood that we are not one race, but since we have the same history and aspirations we are a nation.

Jews who are anti zionist are still Jews, but they don't see themselves as part of this nation.

Anti zionists try to deny Jews rights to self determination as a nation.

Thus they are antisemitic. Just like you, farmboy, are.

Merle

you may well notice numerous threads on this board condemning NATO actions , he claims they dont exist . In response to my posts he posted pictures of NATO attacks in serbia - when probably among all posters on this site im the strongest critic on this site of NATOs attacks on serbia and often vilified for my regular support of serbia . Thats because his echo software only alerts him to discussion when the subject is the occupation of palestine and lebanon .

It's a matter of a simple count:

How many threads are there against Israel, and how many threads are there against NATO attacks.

Well, I did check this matter, and for the last week there have been 10 threads against Israel (75 from the beginning of the year), and no threads against NATO! (I checked foreign affairs, current afairs, Europe and Chat forums).

And I even took the freedom to check Merle's postings, and behold, what a surprise: while there are at least 9 posts against Israel, mainly during the last two days, there is one post that mentions Afghanistan.

Now, I have already stated in this thread that this obsession of Israel is one of the main problems in this forum, and I was ridiculed by the same people who don't want to be exposed as having a deep antisemitic problem, but this is beyond doubt the proof needed.

Marcsignal:

As for Boycotting Israeli goods, isn't it quite normal for political groups opposed to the actions of certain Countries to organise [COLOR=#810081]Boycotts of Goods[/COLOR] coming from there??
It might be another good example of the hatred towards Israel, that is part of the obsession. There are no boycott calls in this forum against other countries in the extent there is against Israel. I counted those too, and there were a lot of them, of course taking into account the number of dead in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Neither China, Russia, Zimbabwe or Turkey, India, Pakistan or Venezuela, had calls for boycotts, not the number Israel had (And Israel had a lot of them).

This is an obsession of the Irish Left that can not be ignored!

Nothing to do with morality yanshuf, LOADS to do with European media airtime. We are not exposed to that conflict as much as the Middle East, but I believe I already made that point, and besides, do you ever hear either side in the Sri Lankan conflict continuously harping on about 'Anti-Hinduism' or 'Anti-Buddhism' as the basis for accusing the other side of anything??
It's all got to do with morality. When one preaches morality to others, one needs to show morality too.

You are supposed to be homo sapiens, not a neanderthal, media gives you information, but then you can - check it up, and you can saturate your need for knowledge by looking for things beyond and over the news. Media is not an issue in today's online world. Though it can certainly be a problem.

As for the Sri Lankan conflict: do I need to hear both sides to make a stance for myself about the refugees, like say, a leftist does regarding the Arab refugees? Do I need to be coherent with my disgust from atrocities to all mankind, or does it stop in the Middle East?

Have a great week!

[The Caped Cod]

L'Chaim takes a break and Yanshuf shows up. You working the night shift now.
Tag team trolling, that's a new one.

[yanshuf]

Even in this issue, I think you have surpassed us. Holding on for 24 hours a day, you leftist posters are extremely territorial, and can't have anyone touch your area.

I wonder if you pee in the corners of your room.

[The Caped Cod]

I work with a computer you muppet. I can connect pretty much whenever I want.

We'll have to put "urine fetish" on your ever extending list of faults.
Because I don't let bigots get away with posting racist bile again and again unchallenged I'm left? Because I don't let you hide behind your religion or your nationality as an excuse for your narrow minded hate?

[edg]

In religious terms yes you can and Israel has tried to use religion as a reason behind its state but that does not remove the fact that there is indeed a Jewish race of people.

To state otherwise shows incredible ignorance. To be honest is a society still very aware of the Holocaust such ignorance must surely be rooted in downright stupidity.

Ever heard of the term (anti-)semitic? It describes discrimination against Jewish people (though should also include arabs...) based in ethnicity. Please check your facts. "Jew" is both an ethnic and religious term both of which mean entirely different things.

I have to disagree. Insulting a Jewish person just because they are Jewish is not racist as I already said. Its as bad as racism though.


Who is this tribe of racially pure Jews?

[edg]

So what?

Judaism is both a religion and a nation.

Jews unlike all christian, have a common history, a common language, a common aspirations - the Land of Israel, and common persecutions.

That made us a nation, and not just a religion. Just like christianity made nations throughout Europe

Spread all over the world, it's quite understood that we are not one race, but since we have the same history and aspirations we are a nation.

Jews who are anti zionist are still Jews, but they don't see themselves as part of this nation.

Anti zionists try to deny Jews rights to self determination as a nation.

Thus they are antisemitic. Just like you, farmboy, are.

Merle


It's a matter of a simple count:

How many threads are there against Israel, and how many threads are there against NATO attacks.

Well, I did check this matter, and for the last week there have been 10 threads against Israel (75 from the beginning of the year), and no threads against NATO! (I checked foreign affairs, current afairs, Europe and Chat forums).

And I even took the freedom to check Merle's postings, and behold, what a surprise: while there are at least 9 posts against Israel, mainly during the last two days, there is one post that mentions Afghanistan.

Now, I have already stated in this thread that this obsession of Israel is one of the main problems in this forum, and I was ridiculed by the same people who don't want to be exposed as having a deep antisemitic problem, but this is beyond doubt the proof needed.

Marcsignal:



Neither China, Russia, Zimbabwe or Turkey, India, Pakistan or Venezuela, had calls for boycotts, not the number Israel had (And Israel had a lot of them).

This is an obsession of the Irish Left that can not be ignored!




You are supposed to be homo sapiens, not a neanderthal, media gives you information, but then you can - check it up, and you can saturate your need for knowledge by looking for things beyond and over the news. Media is not an issue in today's online world. Though it can certainly be a problem.

As for the Sri Lankan conflict: do I need to hear both sides to make a stance for myself about the refugees, like say, a leftist does regarding the Arab refugees? Do I need to be coherent with my disgust from atrocities to all mankind, or does it stop in the Middle East?

Have a great week!

What does that have to do with there being Chinese or black Jews?

I never said there was anything wrong with that.

[L'Chaim]

You are so full of shït L'Chaim. I compared a biggoted hate spewing anti-semite (in the technical sense of the word) to Nazis. The same bigot who started a thread to compare others to Nazis, that's why I chose that comparsion. I have said time and time again that its an atitude. If you don't like the Nazi comparison then don't throw it around. I could compare him to spanish conquistador, a member of a south American death squad, a Muslim jihadist, an IRA bomber, a member of the KKK or indeed an Nazi. Because he's jewish he should get a free pass on taking his own medicine, I think not.

And you can keep using the word jew to hide behind, but the issue isn't judaism. Much as you try to paint any opposition as anti-semitic, the greatist show of anti-semitism on this thread came from Yanshuf. And you try to defend his extremism just because he's jewish. You should be ashamed.
If the comparsion hurt then too bad. The truth often does.

Oh yes I'm sure you could have compared him to a lot of things................but you didn't. You knew exactly what you were doing by comparing an Israeli Jew to Nazis, comparing him to the Nazi executioners who used the Zyklon B, being the reason that men joined the Nazis and the SS etc. Oh yes, you could have done a lot of things, but you didn't. You went for the comparison that would cause the most hurt to a Jew, the comparison that would be the most offensive to a Jew. And you deliberately set out to do that. Yes, you could have done a lot of things.......but you chose to use remarks and insults for the purpose of violating a Jewish person's dignity..........and that makes you an anti-Semite. And believe me, that's not something I accuse people of at the drop of a hat. I happen to think being an anti-Semite is one of the worst things a person can be.