Is Irish Left comparable with Nazi Ideology?

[Toland]

Not much of a swimmer , forded a lot of flooded rivers tho , and did a fair bit of hunting in the mountains and bush .

So yep, this is fun , and to make it all the more satisfying , I post what I feel and believe.

Plus , I'm a night owl



Pest eradication is a vital job

You're only fattening them up (as you can see).

However, whatever flutes yer boot!

[The Caped Cod]

Is a dislike of all nazis the same as a dislike of all germans? One is a political idea, and one is a religion or ethnic group. There are jews who are not Zionist and actually anti-Zionist. How do you consider them? Zionism, adn even Israel, does not have the right to speak for every jewish person on the planet just because jews make up the majority of the population there.

[L'Chaim]

So all Germans are Nazis then L'Chaim, by your logic. .

During the reign of the third Reich (1933 - 45), most of them were yes. However you are the one that made some disgraceful statements about Jews here. And only for the simple reason that you intended to offend and hurt. You are the one that called a Jew living in Israel "no better than a Nazi......you would have been the man in the black uniform pouring the can of Zyclone B into the 'showers'. You would have been the man clearing the (Warsaw) Ghetto. You are the other side of the same coin". You then went on to say "You have the same mentality that drove men to join the Nazis and the SS".

Now you did that because you knew you were addressing a Jew. You intended to hurt and offend because you know those comments don't do anything else. You used the Nazi comparison because you know that that is the most hurtful and offensive thing you can say to a Jew. Anti-Semitism is a expression used from the end of the 19th century to describe a policy towards Jews based on racism. And as such there are many things that can be considered anti-semitism. But any act used with the purpose of violating a Jewish person's dignity is anti-Semitic. And what you said above is exactly that. You deliberately used words and comparisons to hurt and offend a Jew because you knew those words and comparison are offensive to Jews.

[Fermoy]

You're only fattening them up (as you can see).

However, whatever flutes yer boot!

The benefit of the exercise is that these threads are in the public domain . Anybody with access to the Internet can follow the topic.

The world can see the falsehoods peddled by these employees of the israeli propaganda ministry .

We tell the truth , the zionists lie , the world learns .

[edg]

oh nobody is saying that all Jews are Zionists..........but the vast majority of them (all around the world) are. So we know exactly who you are comparing to Nazis. You do to hurt and cause offence, but you think you can hide your true intentions by trying to mask them by using Zionist as a euphemism for Jew. Oh I've got your number alright

L'Chaim, I thought you said that a person who doesnt like Zionism IS an antisemite.

So are you saying that Fermoy is an antisemite masked as an antisemite?

You are floating further and further away from reality....

You have been made to look like one sick puppy on this very thread alone time after time.

Do you get a thrill from being humiliated?

[edg]

Yes you did. You pointed out a number of times that you didn't like Zionists, even when it was pointed out to you that the majority fo Jews in Israel were Zionisats and you still responded saying you disliked them. That's an irrational dislike. When told that all the Israeli governments since the foundation of the state, as well as all the main opposition parties were Zionists, you said you didn't like any of them. So you don't like the governments over the last 60 years, their main opposition, who would all be mainly be Jewish and you say you don't like them. The vast majority of Jews in israel are Zionists and you said a number of times that you don't like them. That's an irrational dislike.

Not this again.....

I also dont like republicanism. That does not mean that I hate my family who are republican supporters.

You can try your best to make it look like I hate all Jews but the fact is I dont.

If I did, I would tell you.

[The Caped Cod]

During the reign of the third Reich (1933 - 45), most of them were yes. However you are the one that made some disgraceful statements about Jews here. And only for the simple reason that you intended to offend and hurt. You are the one that called a Jew living in Israel "no better than a Nazi......you would have been the man in the black uniform pouring the can of Zyclone B into the 'showers'. You would have been the man clearing the (Warsaw) Ghetto. You are the other side of the same coin". You then went on to say "You have the same mentality that drove men to join the Nazis and the SS".

Now you did that because you knew you were addressing a Jew. You intended to hurt and offend because you know those comments don't do anything else. You used the Nazi comparison because you know that that is the most hurtful and offensive thing you can say to a Jew. Anti-Semitism is a expression used from the end of the 19th century to describe a policy towards Jews based on racism. And as such there are many things that can be considered anti-semitism. But any act used with the purpose of violating a Jewish person's dignity is anti-Semitic. And what you said above is exactly that. You deliberately used words and comparisons to hurt and offend a Jew because you knew those words and comparison are offensive to Jews.

Anti - The prefix anti refers to something which is in some way "against" the referent of the stem to which the prefix is affixed.

Semite - The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites.

You are so full of shït L'Chaim. I compared a biggoted hate spewing anti-semite (in the technical sense of the word) to Nazis. The same bigot who started a thread to compare others to Nazis, that's why I chose that comparsion. I have said time and time again that its an atitude. If you don't like the Nazi comparison then don't throw it around. I could compare him to spanish conquistador, a member of a south American death squad, a Muslim jihadist, an IRA bomber, a member of the KKK or indeed an Nazi. Because he's jewish he should get a free pass on taking his own medicine, I think not.

And you can keep using the word jew to hide behind, but the issue isn't judaism. Much as you try to paint any opposition as anti-semitic, the greatist show of anti-semitism on this thread came from Yanshuf. And you try to defend his extremism just because he's jewish. You should be ashamed.
If the comparsion hurt then too bad. The truth often does.

[Drico]

Your problem is that you hold the view that the Jews are a nation, that's not so. It's like saying that all faiths are a nation and all are entitled to a home land. Every state accommodates peoples of all faiths and none and that's the way it ought to be. A person can travel from the far side of the world and instantly gain citizenship of Israel if they are of the Jewish faith, while an individual who has family connections that have lived in the area for centuries cannot. These people were forcibly exiled to make way for the incoming foreigners. That injustice must be addressed.
Regardless of what Hamas do or have done, the indiscriminate force used by a powerful army cannot be justified . To bomb a civilian area in the manner that has occurred is criminal. Those in Gazza have no means of defending themsleves against such bombing.

You my friend are an idiot.

Jews are a race of people not just a religion. Not all practitioners of the Jewish religion are Jews and not all Jews practice the Jewish Religion. They are seperate. Tel Aviv is quite a secular city by all accounts.

As a race of people national self-determination most certainly does apply to the Jews (it also applies to the Palestinians of course but that is a different issue).

[Fermoy]

Yes. The Irish Left does not recognise Israel's right to exist, but it surpasses itself when it doesn't even recognise the Jews' right for self determination.

While it does recognise other nations to do so.

The Irish Left holds a two-dimensional concept with no depth, that is, of the conflict. Somewhat childish concept, according to which Israel is to blame for everything that is bad and wrong in the whole world.

The Irish left does its best to demonise and delegitimise Israel, its right to exist and its right for self defence.

The Irish left is an anomaly in the human social evolution, and it's best shown in the conspiracy theories it makes up. It must be a built-in genetic defect that makes people here behave like Hamas is the most humane terror group on earth.

Well, it seems it's not just Hamas we have to live with, maybe it's even more unfortunate that we have to live with this anomaly from the Left too.

Hows that for racism eh .

Irish the world over insulted by a rabid zionist from israel

[Fermoy]

You my friend are an idiot.

Jews are a race of people not just a religion. Not all practitioners of the Jewish religion are Jews and not all Jews practice the Jewish Religion. They are seperate. Tel Aviv is quite a secular city by all accounts.

As a race of people national self-determination most certainly does apply to the Jews (it also applies to the Palestinians of course but that is a different issue).

A nation of people are entitled to self determination , yes .
But you confuse race and nationality . The two are not synonymous .


There is no one Jewish race , possibly there is no Jewish race at all.
A hereditary religion does not a race make .

If that were so , all Christians in the world would be of one race.
As we all know , Christianity is adopted by all who practise it .
Being born of christian parents , and living as a christian , does not change this.

What makes Judaism any different ?