Is Irish Left comparable with Nazi Ideology?

[The_SR]

The SR:


I'm glad you say that, cause I don't like the "Palestinians", they are just another Arab political entity divided to Hamas and the PA.

Thats fine. No-one particulrly expects an extremist like you to 'like' the Palestinians. The issue is your naked racism and refusal to accept them even as a people.

Darth books:


I started this thread after 5 years of intense diatribes against Israel, usually with no real basis. The main points of these diatribes were the rhetoric: nazification of Israel, makind Israel the well-poisoner of the world and the call for action: volunteering for missions against Israel and the calls for boycotts.

These all came from left-leaning posters, whose main aims, without a need to be a shrink, were to facilitate the destruction of Israel, wheather directly (direct help) or by proxy (supporting such organisations).

Since there are still calls from this same side of the political bow for the elimination of the current regime of Israel as it is now and the forced change of the essence of Israel as a Jewish state, the comparison between the two - the Irish left and the Nazis - is required.

But the Isralei state came into being long after the Nazi's were toppled. You are talking through your arse. The Irish left is at least consistant. It helped in a small way to force change on the last apartehit refgieme in South Africa and is trying to do the same with Israel. Remember the Irish left fougght and died against facsim in Spain and defended Irish Jews against the likes of Flanagan and elements of the Church so you 'theory' is exceptionally offensive

[yanshuf]

I love it Yanshuf. You decry other for supposdly using 'Zionism' as another word for Jews or Israelis, then you say you don't like 'Palestinians'. Not 'Militant Islam' or your other favourite 'Islamofascists' but Palestinians, a nationality. You're hilarious, honestly, you should write for people like [COLOR=#0000ff]this[/COLOR].

It's not me who invented the so called "Palestinians" as a political entity, it was the Brits and Arabs who invented this political entity for ramming zionism. Before 1920 there was no such people. Why? Because they were Southern Syrians or Egyptians.

In fact the ex-member of Knesset and current fleeying Hizballah spy, Azmi Bshara himself, said that there was no such thing as a Palestinian people but an Arab one.

[yanshuf]

But the Isralei state came into being long after the Nazi's were toppled. You are talking through your arse. The Irish left is at least consistant. It helped in a small way to force change on the last apartehit refgieme in South Africa and is trying to do the same with Israel. Remember the Irish left fougght and died against facsim in Spain and defended Irish Jews against the likes of Flanagan and elements of the Church so you 'theory' is exceptionally offensive

Is it now? And all accusations against a democratic state are ok, I guess and not offensive at all.

The Irish left is trying to consolidate action against Israel. It does it in blind hatred towards Israel and all it stands for.

This has everything to do with nazi ideology that tried to annihilate Jews back then, now it's trying to annihilate the political Jew, in his own state. The left doesn't like the idea that Jews can control their own lives and not have to ask permission from the authorities.

The Irish left is living the times before amancipation.

Shabat Shalom to all.

[The Caped Cod]

By that logic, people of the Jewish faith, but without Semitic geneology, have no right to live in Israel.

[The_SR]

Is it now? And all accusations against a democratic state are ok, I guess and not offensive at all.

The Irish left is trying to consolidate action against Israel. It does it in blind hatred towards Israel and all it stands for.

This has everything to do with nazi ideology that tried to annihilate Jews back then, now it's trying to annihilate the political Jew, in his own state. The left doesn't like the idea that Jews can control their own lives and not have to ask permission from the authorities.

The Irish left is living the times before amancipation.

Shabat Shalom to all.

You really are posting the worst drivel on this site, and that says a lot. The Irish left are a political tradition that have fought Fascism, protected and sheltered Jews and stood up for human rights across the world. To try and say that their objection to the Israeli Sate is anti-semetic in nature is not only wrong, its farcially wrong to the point where I really question whether you are a legitimate Zionist poster, rather an imposter trying to blaken the ideology further.

One way or the other, you are contributing nothing whasoever of value to this site.

[L'Chaim]

Lets rephrase that in an Irish context:

You don't like Unionism, which includes every main British political party, every British government in the past 800 years and all the main British opposition parties too. You even admitted to that. And as you dislike Unionism this would also include the majority of British Protestants and the majority of Brits outside of Britain. Of course that's a rational dislike and I should just accept you don't have an irrational dislike of Brits.

I dislike Italian Fascists. But I still managed to live in Rome succesfully. Disliking an ideology with an element of racial superiority does not mean disliking the underlying race, and well you know it.

Before you jump in defending the other poster who said he didn't like Zionists you should look at the comments he/she made. This is what he/she said "I call members or supporters of the Zionist party Zionists". He went on to say he/she didn't like them. Now this is not saying he/she doesn't like Zionism (but we know he/she doesn't), but all people who would be Zionists (past and present Israel governments, all the main opposition parties, the majority of Jews living inside and outside of Israel). Now that is an irrational dislike, no matter how you look at it. He/she is the one who made it about the people rather than the ideal. I gave him/her every chance to clarify and he/she came back saying he/she doesn't like any of them. I even gave him/her an opportunity to clarify what he/she means about the Zionist party. What is this party? He/she doesn't seem to know. He/she is lumping them all in together and dislikes them all. That's racism.

So your comparison with Unionism is wrong and so is his/her comparison with republicanism. If you don't like unionism or republicanism or Zionism for that matter, you would be able to say what it is about that political ideal that you don't like. He/she hasn't yet! If you say you don't like Unionists, or republicans or for that matter Zionists, then that's a different kettle of fish altogether. The person saying that is showing their racism and anti-Semitism. It's bigotry pure and simple......but just dressed up under a different label so they don't have to be a so in-your-face bigot.

[yanshuf]

The Irish left are a political tradition that have fought Fascism, protected and sheltered Jews and stood up for human rights across the world.

It was in a different era, not the current, and by other people.

The current leadership is supporting boycotts against Israel, not against Saudi Arabia or Russia, or Zimbabwe.

This calls for a profound penetration to their dark minds.

To try and say that their objection to the Israeli Sate is anti-semetic in nature is not only wrong, its farcially wrong

It specifies their behaviour which shows "ethics" towards one state - Israel.

[The_SR]

Before you jump in defending the other poster who said he didn't like Zionists you should look at the comments he/she made. This is what he/she said "I call members or supporters of the Zionist party Zionists". He went on to say he/she didn't like them. Now this is not saying he/she doesn't like Zionism (but we know he/she doesn't), but all people who would be Zionists (past and present Israel governments, all the main opposition parties, the majority of Jews living inside and outside of Israel). Now that is an irrational dislike, no matter how you look at it. He/she is the one who made it about the people rather than the ideal. I gave him/her every chance to clarify and he/she came back saying he/she doesn't like any of them. I even gave him/her an opportunity to clarify what he/she means about the Zionist party. What is this party? He/she doesn't seem to know. He/she is lumping them all in together and dislikes them all. That's racism.

So your comparison with Unionism is wrong and so is his/her comparison with republicanism. If you don't like unionism or republicanism or Zionism for that matter, you would be able to say what it is about that political ideal that you don't like. He/she hasn't yet! If you say you don't like Unionists, or republicans or for that matter Zionists, then that's a different kettle of fish altogether. The person saying that is showing their racism and anti-Semitism. It's bigotry pure and simple......but just dressed up under a different label so they don't have to be a so in-your-face bigot.

There is a semblance of a rational point there. What you are saying is that its ok to dislike an idea (ism) but not ok to dislike proponants of that idea (ists). While I acceept you have the smantic high moral ground, calling someone who says they don't like zionists as racist is pushing it. In the conext where the debate is that the Irish political tradition that fought Nazis and defended Irish Jews are anti-semetic because they dislike the ism and its practial manifestation, its doubly strange. If you were consistant and condemned yanshuf, we might have a middle ground.

[yanshuf]

If you were consistant and condemned yanshuf, we might have a middle ground.

Yes, condemn me. Though there's undeniable proof the Irish Left is antisemitic in essence - the cals for boycotts against Israel and Israeli academia, the calls for support of Hamas and the calls to annihilate Israel as a Jewish state.

[L'Chaim]

There is a semblance of a rational point there. What you are saying is that its ok to dislike an idea (ism) but not ok to dislike proponants of that idea (ists). While I acceept you have the smantic high moral ground, calling someone who says they don't like zionists as racist is pushing it. In the conext where the debate is that the Irish political tradition that fought Nazis and defended Irish Jews are anti-semetic because they dislike the ism and its practial manifestation, its doubly strange. If you were consistant and condemned yanshuf, we might have a middle ground.

It's ok to criticise the ideal.....though you should at least have some idea of what the principle of the thing you disagree with is. The other poster has shown that he/she hasn't a clue what Zionism is.......but he/she dislikes all Zionists, and expects us to think it's nothing to do with anti-semitism. Let's call a spade a spade here.