Shirin Ebadi's Human Rights Centre shut by police

[Clanrickard]

I am sure you're devastated, since I know how precious human rights are to you; as long as the humans in question are on the 'right' side.

Since my mind is too simplistic, I find it hard to understand how someone can be both in favour of human rights and in favour of wars of aggression.

Also, your stance on torture is somewhat at odds with your stance on human rights, though I suppose you're choosing only to apply these standards to Iran.

Unlike airy-fairy lefties like you who'll agree transgressions by anyone who isn't white or male (as it is their "culture") Thacoman is consistent. Human rights are the same for everyone but many including nearly all Muslim majority countries don't accept this. That this gets less highlighting than Israel and Guantanamo tells its own story.Thanks to "wars of aggression" people in places like Iraq now have elections and can vote freely as opposed to getting thrown off 5 story buildings, getting gassed and having their families disappear. Progress in my book and in any other normal person's. Except of course the pc multi-cultural left who are so twisted with hate for the the evil "west" and particularly the US that they'll support anyone else even if these people would enslave and take away their rights. Rights let it be said that are guaranteed in the evil West but not in poor Iran the victim of Western bullying (note to lefties this is sarcasm). While goons like Galloway and Al Qaradawi get applauded by useful idiots in the West Shirin Ebadi doesn't register. No doubt people like you think she's a western stooge.

[Asi-Irish]

Thanks to "wars of aggression" people in places like Iraq now have elections and can vote freely as opposed to getting thrown off 5 story buildings, getting gassed and having their families disappear. Progress in my book and in any other normal person's.

Ah, I think I see where you're coming from now.

You're one of those for whom "human rights" boil down to the right to vote. I doubt you have any understanding of the broader meaning of the term "human rights".

Here are a few more rights, which I would argue are more important than the right to vote, and which the majority of people living under US occupation are denied.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

I am all in favour of human rights... in fact I have taken part in training courses on human rights in 3 different countries.

[Clanrickard]

Here are a few more rights, which I would argue are more important than the right to vote, and which the majority of people living under US occupation are denied.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

I am all in favour of human rights... in fact I have taken part in training courses on human rights in 3 different countries.

Bully for you. Now tell me genius what countries on this planet do most to vindicate the above enunciated rights for their citizens? What countries do most to curtail the above enunciated rights of their citizens? What cultural norms stand out as being more conducive to promoting of rights and which are least conducive? If tin pot thug dictators wish to take away the rights of their people what can be done if they ignore sanctions and ignore UN resolutions?

[Asi-Irish]

Bully for you. Now tell me genius what countries on this planet do most to vindicate the above enunciated rights for their citizens? What countries do most to curtail the above enunciated rights of their citizens? What cultural norms stand out as being more conducive to promoting of rights and which are least conducive? If tin pot thug dictators wish to take away the rights of their people what can be done if they ignore sanctions and ignore UN resolutions?

I dunno, Afghanistan? Iraq? Israel? Saudi Arabia? US Occupied Cuba (AKA Guantanamo Bay)?

I could go on, oh and those "tin pot dictators", how many of them were put in power or suported by the US and other Western countries.

Get a grip on reality.

[He3]

On TG4 now.


The effort by Ebadi and many others to secure equality before the law for women in Iran through a One Million Signatures campaign, among other tactics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Signatures

[He3]

The only men left in Iran are the women

Another in a long list of excellent documentaries in the Fíor Scéal series.