The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

[rhonda15]

It takes an awful long time to go through all the material supplied and analysed by Almanac, Rhonda and others. I have to confess that I approached it from trying to pick holes in every detail, coming up with alternative explanations, only for my smug certainty to be shattered. Indeed I often imposed my own interpreation withou having gone though all the material. For example David Icke has no crediblity, and I can well see why he would be useful to those who do not want us to know the truth.

Also, I have had regular heated exchanges with people on other conspiracy theories such as Freemasonry, finding it ridiculous that they would assign so much power and influence to an organisaiton that simply cannot control all the variables in an unpredictable world, and being secret societies their activities are impossible to totally verify. This then is the nub of the whole issue, their secretiveness.

The only solution is to look at what has happened from 1914 onwards. Was it predicted to happen? Yes. Almana has shown taht. Was there a lot of speculaton of such an agenda (NWO) before now, Yes, for decades, Alman has shown that too. has a lot of 'progress' being made in implementing that NWO agenda, Yes, again he has shown this to be the case. has it apparently come to be nearly implemented because of a series of events that whether they be incidental, accidental, by design, or circumstantial evolution, the answer seems to be yes.

If all other possibilities no longer look reasonable and what we thought improbable or outrageous looks logical, then we are in trouble. Logic tells me Almanac, Rhonda, Lthse, et al are right. You have to go though it all and suspend the urge, be it based on wishful thinking to see flaws in minor details, having other possible alternative answers for specific parts becuase when you look at the whole, you might get the horrifying penny dropping reality that I have. I only bloody wish it wasn't so, those Bstds.

Welcome westsawake
I have struggled with this for years - i became "awake" circa 2005 while I still worked in NYC.
I moved back to Ireland also in 2005. In the early stages of my awareness of this new reality I came close to a nervous breakdown. But everything that is occurring in the world today has strengthened my belief this is actually happening - nothing else fits or makes sense. I have often felt lonely in my convictions - but at least this crisis seems to be waking others up too.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

[Almanac]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Those who think they know better than Gerald Celente about what's coming might like to enlighten us all. At the same time, they could also inform us what qualifications they possess that enables them to doubt his analysis so that we can judge whether or not to throw them on the ignore list as disruptive, ignorant time-wasters. If they first read all the relevant information and view / listen to all the relevant linked material in this thread and then carefully argue their case and refute the provided evidence, we might be able to take them seriously. But I doubt that any of the negative commentators so far have. It's simply not the kind of material that can be dismissed without explanation on a deeply anti-intellectual a priori basis. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][ame="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDoC9IrI9Y"][COLOR=#0066cc]YouTube - pt 1 Alex Jones interviews Gerald Celente 12/18/08[/COLOR][/ame][/FONT][/SIZE]

And this brief clip also from Alex Jones, whom I have got a lot of respect for despite not quite agreeing with everything he says, shows how best to deal with a priori numbskulls, who think they can talk down to you because they are actually clueless about the subject at hand.

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[Almanac]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Naomi Wolf has quite a perspicacious article in the Guardian of all places here in which she outlines how America has been gradually transformed into a fascist state. History demonstrates that there a certain series of programmatic steps which must be taken in order to create a fascist state and implement martial law. The first is to create a terrifying enemy. The false flag of the attack on the Bundestag, for example, which Hitler blamed on the communists, permited him to appropriate dictatorial powers to himself.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Ms Wolf’s grave error is to blame the emerging American totalitarianism on the Bush administration. Nonsense. The evolution began decades ago and has accelerated through both Democrat and Republican administrations. Back in the eighties, in the Iran-Contra hearings, when General Oliver North was asked about his involvement in the Continuity of Government plan, which allowed the American Constitution to be suspended, the chairman intervened and excused General North from answering. [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Wolf writes “John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gave the president new powers over the national guard. This means that in a national emergency - which the president now has enhanced powers to declare - he can send Michigan's militia to enforce a state of emergency that he has declared in Oregon, over the objections of the state's governor and its citizens... [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Critics see this as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act - which was meant to restrain the federal government from using the military for domestic law enforcement. The Democratic senator Patrick Leahy says the bill encourages a president to declare federal martial law.”[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Of course she is right, but the militarisation will grow even worse under Obama’s watch. Obama is already calling for a civilian national security force that is “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded” as the military to meet our “national security objectives.” He doesn’t expand on what these objectives are or how they can be reconciled with the fact that no terrorist attacks have taken place on American soil for over half a decade. But what Obama is calling for mirrors what occurred in Nazi Germany. The only difference is that now the dictators are behind the scenes and rule by means of a puppet president, whether Democract or Republican. A true constitutionalist hasn’t a hope of getting elected.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Obama Youth anyone?

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]YouTube - Obama National Police Force[/SIZE][/FONT]

[Lthse]

And how many small producers are out of business?

Aren't the 'drug companies' by very definiton are the market leaders with the vast majority of the market share in the first place? How much market share did 'small produers' have incidently?

How are minerals based on plants? surely once everything gets to the stomach and things are broken down, whats the difference?

Aspartame shocker. How toxic is it? You do know that Chocolate is toxic dont you? Eitherway, doesn't regulation help keep out the vast majority of dodgy susbtances and bad practices?

Incidently, where do the tungsten and other materials come from that your 'local light bulb manufacturer'? hmmmm? Is Tungsten and other materials not heavy metals in light bulb filaments?

I don't know. Perhaps your 'local light bulb manufacturer' should start making items which use 2.5 times less energy and last four times as long?

And having nothing to do with enviromental and Health and safety concerns?

'You believe' yet you say this is 'happening'.

I've no idea how many have been put out of business, if you want to get an idea then ask in your local health shop, they have been highlighting this for the past few years with no politicians or mainstream media taking up the issue. Also ask how many of the products are no longer on the shelves because of this Directive. If the drug companies want to sell their products then I've no problem as long as there's a level playing field and people have the right to decide, which is not happening.

Our bodies are designed to absorb minerals from plants eg Iron from green vegetables, the minerals are broken down in the soil by microbes and acids and absorbed into the plants. This is a very complicated process that isn't being replicated by synthetic minerals. Most of the minerals sold by the drugs industry are not sufficiently broken down and in the right form to be broken down by stomach acids and bacteria so they are just flushed out through urine.

You keep saying we need more regulation but when I mention Aspartame you just dismiss it and then say regulation keeps out other dodgy substances and practices. Kathy Sinnott exposed Aspartame and how it was pushed through as safe by one of the secret working groups in the Commission which they discovered had an expert with a conflict of interest, incidentally this was the only expert in the group they found out about and she said they don't normally have access to who is in these secret groups.

The cfl bulbs are being sold as environmentally friendly yet contain Mercury, a highly toxic heavy metal and they are mostly produced in China so have to be shipped around the world. Do you not think this is hypocrisy?
We are now being told we must switch to them, the Irish lightbulb manufacturer is still in business despite cfl bulbs being around for a few years now, so they are not going out of business because of competition but from regulation. I personally don't buy these cfl bulbs because they don't give much light and I don't know how children will be expected to do their homework with them.

I said we are being exposed to toxic chemicals because there is overwhelming evidence of it, which you have just agreed with by mentioning chocolate, my point was that I believe it is deliberate and you obviously don't.

Also, getting back on topic I would like to ask you what you think Barrosso and Sarkozy were talking about when they mentioned global governance and a new global monetary order and if you think they are conspiracy theorists also?

[Lthse]

Another reference to the new world order, this time on CNN

new world order is the endgame, says glenn beck

[Almanac]

Another reference to the new world order, this time on CNN

new world order is the endgame, says glenn beck

More than a reference. That was amazing, given that it was the CFR owned CNN.

This interview was fascinating as well which you linked in the other thread:

YouTube - Mark Koernke in "STUDIO"on Alex Jones Tv:Time to Speak Up p1

Of course there are some here who will claim that all those military personnel and police who told Mark Koernke that they would side with him in the coming revolution are also victims of a mass delusion.

[Lthse]

More than a reference. That was amazing, given that it was the CFR owned CNN.

This interview was fascinating as well which you linked in the other thread:

YouTube - Mark Koernke in "STUDIO"on Alex Jones Tv:Time to Speak Up p1

Of course there are some here who will claim that all those military personnel and police who told Mark Koernke that they would side with him in the coming revolution are also victims of a mass delusion.

Yeah this phenomena of mass delusion is truelly amazing. Millions of normal rational people, many highly educated and in positions of responsibility, have spontaneously changed into tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.

Can we please get some explanation for this??

According to the BBC it's because when major events take place people find it hard to accept the truth and look for all kinds of other explanations. duh!

[Almanac]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Walter Cronkite:[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS6bLQixkM[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Part of Hilary's flowing endorsement: "And with your continued leadership we can sail out across these unnavigated seas into the twentieth first century and there is no better captain I can imagine than you Walter."[/SIZE][/FONT]

[Almanac]

Fabled Enemies: an outstanding must-see documentary.

View the whole film here on google:

Fabled Enemies (Super High Quality, full movie)

Or on youtube here, section by section:

YouTube - FABLED ENEMIES - PART 1

[malaclypse]

Almanac, u are spot on with your analysis.I picked a book up while in america some years ago "confessions of an economic hitman" by john perkins which started my investigation.Since then ive read and watched everything i could get my hands on.From my own experience the only way a person will open their mind to this is by doing the research themselves and when they do, they realise the signs are everywhere. Here's some material i have read or seen lately which might interest you- the illuminatus trilogy(skip the first 600 pages or so), zeitgeist dvd ,explains how the federal reserve was set up amongst other things,or for more mainstream viewing Network and Citizen Kane.

even a broken clock is right twice a day.