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    Quote Originally Posted by west'sawake View Post
    I think the phenomenon of Stagflation, i.e. huge unemployment and inflation is more likely, especially in the States and the U.K , all the factors are now in place for that to happen.
    Excess money supply, very weak currency, bail outs that will not work, and when they don't more money being printed. The simple fact is that moeny has to be printed to
    match the trillions of accumulated toxic debt and now corporate debt in the big manufacturers. Seehowthe contgion is spreading, property, banks, manufactruing, services
    (insurance, assurance, pesnions, etc),

    Here and most of the E.U. up to a certain point, the Euro because of its strength will keep inflation low, but even that will not last long. Expect also the UK to join the Euro zone on the premise that it will protect them from stagflation. That will be the tipping point towards four currency blocks. I'm betting on the British people resisting. Let's wait and see.

    But this semblance of stability in the E.U. will be shorted lived, because of the interconnection to toxic debt already in the sytem due to global capital also being local capital and a real divergence within the E.U. from one economy to the next. There is also the inter generational crisis of young unemployment and retirees seeing their pensions destroyed

    A new Economic phenomenon is about to occur, pertinent to the extraordinary circumstances that we will find ourselves in. Consumer goods and services will become very very cheap because they cannot be sold, there will be the phenomenon of export dumping, people buying them for next to nothing. But they are the wrong things to buy.
    It will be the equivalent of having tanning lotion for a dark arctic winter. Put simply, cars and gadgets cannot be eaten. Waterford glass have 200 million worth of stock that cannot be sold. It is proably goign to have to go to the wall

    As the lay offs continue, and savings and pension wipe outs increase, so will social unrest. In such times the only commodity that will rise in price is food, it always does in times of chaos, and also because food too is globalised into a perverse distribution system,
    lamb from New Zealand and Beef from Brazil, leaving a huge carbon footprint in getting here.
    See how the globalists conractic themselves), and huge fishing fleets pludnering the fish stocks of Africa of local communities. BTW, on the questin of food, France is among one of the few E.U. countries whose food supply is on balance more indigeneous. I fear we can only score highly on that one in relation to meat.

    Also, access to purchasing food might only be possible through electronic rationing of 'money'. In effect your own money will not be your own. More on that again.

    I only hope the Greens do an immediate assessment to ascertain Ireland can feed its own population. Most farmesr, especailly the traditonal samll faerm no logner grow tillage crops.
    Also, we should remember that during the Famine, Ireland was still and exporter of food!

    The Green ministers and Brendan Smith should prepare a food contingency plan for a National Emergency.

    Already a lot of pigs have been slaughtered, in what was objecitvley an over reaction. The E.U at one stage wanted our national herd of cattle drastically cut because of Methane emissions. Extreme environmentalism, currency and trade chaos, financial market collapse, glabal food supply collapse, contrived terrorist threats, all reasons we are told for the need for a New World Order, delivering us into the very hands of those who either wilfully or incidentally brought us to where we are. There is also the creeping control of world food crops by G.M.O. food giants and the drastic cut in naturall polluniationof food crops withthe loss ofthe bee population in many countries. (Possibly G.M.O related)

    It does not matter if it is a conspiracy or not, among those who do not see an orchestration are those who do accept that a crisis is likely because of a confluence of events, that is their benign view of what is happening, the end result will be the same.

    One morning on driving to work, I was taken aback, (in a postive way), to hear a respectable economist, especially in the area of banking, a lecturer in the Smurfit school of Business, U.C.D, Ray Kinsella, on RTE radio one, one morning say that 'we should all pray!' that the worst can be avoided in realtion to where our bnaks were heading, and indeed the whole economy. The man knows something.

    Like you I hope and pray other variables, other unknowns will come to pass that will thwart this worst case scenario, and like other posters, I don't really relish living in that kind of Chaos, but as a Father and husband, I have a duty not to keep my head in the sand, not to seek comfort in soft soap and wishful thinking, not to ingonre the facts and the emirpical realities. So, come the Christmass break, I too wil start stocking up. And ironcially am thankful for the ripostes of the cynics who have come up with other suggestions showing how it is not enough to stock up on food.

    I am by nature an optimist, but also a realist, and I believe only good can come out of all this. To be Christian is to hope, not to despair.

    Well done to you Ltshe, Almanac and others for being brave enough to share your concerns with us, and well done to those who set up Politics.ie, it is the only media forum of real choice, including views that just would not appear in a media suffering from an altered consciousness.

    And Lthse, I don't smoke, but like a good bottle of Freacn of Spanish wine, I'll store a few fags for you in exchange for 'the beaded bubble winking at the brim' as Keats would put it.
    Another excellent analysis West, where are all the media gurus now?

    As for the fine wine, I'm afraid you may have to settle for Tesco's own brand

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    Alex Jones interviews Gerald Celente 12/18/08 - predicts revolution

    [ame=http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDoC9IrI9Y]YouTube - pt 1 Alex Jones interviews Gerald Celente 12/18/08[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lthse View Post
    I already said what type of food I invested most money in so you're just engaging in a petty argument.
    Engaging in petty argument? I'm just pointing out the idiocy in stockpling meat in a freezer, if you do not have a portable generator and you're just spending money are bad...


    I know the world moves on and electricity itself is not the issue, it is the reliance on large suppliers who manipulate the markets. We were told that the price had to increase because of the price of oil, yet now the price has dropped to $40 a barrel where is the dramatic drop in the price?
    Is there a dramatic increase in price? Did you electricity bill increase by 2.5 times? The price of Petrol by 2.5? No. Strange

    There is also a lot of new cheap technologies for generating electricity yet there's no facility to sell to the grid.
    Of course there is. Might not be in Ireland, but there certainly is in other countries. As for cheap? Have you seen a typical buy back period for a mini wind turbine?

    Electricity just like food, water, manifacturing etc is moving further and further away from individual and local production. We here the same rhetoric over and over again about competition and globalization.
    Was electricity ever 'locally' produced? Manufacturing? Seems like you are deluding yourself...

    If we really live in a competitive world then why can't I sell electricity to the grid,
    You can in other countries...

    loan money on the same terms as the banks,
    Why don't you become a bank?

    sell natural food supplements without huge restrictions,
    Thats the whole point of regulation. Its to ensure that what you sell is fit for human consumption, and not a packaged turd...

    buy an acre of bog and sell turf, create my own currency backed by gold, buy agricultural land and build a house on it, open a pub without having to buy a license, sell sheep to the local butcher?
    Perhaps its because you can't be trusted without regulation?

    Incidently, people like you say you want 'freedom', total freedom, yet fail to understand that such freedom would simply mean humanity would be ********************ting in the forests and living in trees. Has it ever occured to you, that your very stockpiling of surplus food merely supports the mechanisms which you disagree with?

    Cry all you want about not being 'free', but thats all it is.

    Here's what's happening to the oil producers:

    Saudi Arabia

    Saudi Arabia, housing the world’s largest crude production capacity, has undertaken an ambitious five-year, $129-billion energy investment plan, nearly $60 billion of which will be directed toward increasing upstream petroleum capacity to an estimated 12.5 million bbl/d by 2009.
    And? Saudi Arabia increasing production capability by 10% (ish).

    Venezuela

    Projections show that Venezuela would face financial troubles even with oil prices at US$60/barrel, the analyst said, adding that state coffers are expected to experience a record-high default.
    And here I thought we were talking about Arab countries... Either way... 'Finanicial Troubles' does not equate to 'on their kneees'. Who exactly is going to repossess Venzelua's 'assets' incidently?

    Azerbaijan
    Outside the oil sector, the infrastructure outlook is even less promising--partly because of the government’s focus on oil. Road, rail and fixed-line telephony require considerable investment if they are even to be preserved in their present poor state, let alone upgraded.
    As interesting as this all is, it does not actually support your orginal assertion.

    Iran
    In 2007 a new 160-kilometer line to Armenia began operations. However, a 2,600-kilometer line to Pakistan, which potentially also could supply India, remains in the negotiation stage. Some had failed by 2008 because of geopolitical considerations (for example, US opposition to a key Iranian role in delivering Central Asian oil and gas to the West), and some, such as the gas export line from Iran to Turkey, function at reduced capacity.
    Again, as interesting as all these reams of cut and paste text are... they still do not support your orginal assertion. Simply pointing out 'infrastructure' difficulties, emblodening geopolictical condsiderations does not actually mean those countries are in a great deal of trouble because of the decrease of Crude to $50 a barrell, except Venezula, which may indeed have over extended itself slightly...

    I will gladly bet a hundred Euros that the bankers will be moving in on the oil producers by 2010. If I'm wrong I will gladly admit it but I don't engage in I told you so, in fact I hope all my predictions are wrong.
    Fine. 100 €, since you are not obviously that confident. Forward me your contact details. Incidently, by? does that mean 2010 in its entirity? or New years day 2010?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhonda15 View Post
    Alex Jones interviews Gerald Celente 12/18/08 - predicts revolution
    Thanks Rhonda. If anyone wants to know what's coming just listen to this recording.

    From Wikipedia on Celente: "Gerald Celente is a [COLOR=#0066cc]United States[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0066cc]trend forecaster[/COLOR] and author, and [COLOR=#0066cc]CEO[/COLOR] of The Trends Research Institute founded in 1980. He is noted for predicting [COLOR=#0066cc]the 1987 stock market crash[/COLOR] and [COLOR=#0066cc]the fall of the Soviet Union[/COLOR]"

    PLEASE

    listen to all of this interview. Celente is a world-renowned trend forecaster who has appeared on all of the network and cable TV business news and morning shows and is frequently quoted in American and international media.

    Listen to what he has to say. So many of you have no idea what is going on in America. And Europe will follow the same pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor the Bold View Post


    Perhaps its because you can't be trusted without regulation?

    Incidently, people like you say you want 'freedom', total freedom, yet fail to understand that such freedom would simply mean humanity would be ********************ting in the forests and living in trees. Has it ever occured to you, that your very stockpiling of surplus food merely supports the mechanisms which you disagree with?

    Cry all you want about not being 'free', but thats all it is.


    Fine. 100 €, since you are not obviously that confident. Forward me your contact details. Incidently, by? does that mean 2010 in its entirity? or New years day 2010?
    I will take this as the crux of your argument because frankly the rest of it is absolute drivel. For a start you say that I cannot be trusted without regulation and that is what really sets me off and ready to start swinging. I could go into a whole list of how regulation is nothing more than treating adults like children, how regulation removes people from a sense of responsibility, how regulation is manipulated by the big industries to wipe out the local producers, how regulation is destroying small industries, how regulation is control by the state, but frankly I don't think you have enough of an open mind to hear this. I could give you a whole list of examples of how the absolute criminal industries at the top of the food chain are destroying our lives, destroying our health, and creating an open lunatic asylum but it would be a waste of my time trying to argue this with you.

    You talk about my stockpiling food supporting the system and you are absolutely right, it is supporting the system by buying their 'food' (I use the term lightly because what passes for food these days is really frankinfood). I take no pleasure in stockpiling what passes for food these days but I'm a pragmatist so I would rather my family eat than starve in an emergency (I know I'm a sinner).

    Finally you give the arguments about swinging from the trees but I could give you numerous examples of how scientific breakthroughs have been suppressed, tied up in patents and ridiculed by the nwo because it doesn't suit their agenda, but again you don't have enough of an open mind to hear this and I don't have enough of an interest to waste my time explaining them to you.

    I am new to this forumn, if you tell me what details you want I will supply them, as long as I am not giving out personal information.

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    Alex Jones describes the effect of Icke's campaign of disinformation:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMelHSMVQDI&feature=related]YouTube - Alex Jones Calls David Icke A Shill[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lthse View Post
    I will take this as the crux of your argument because frankly the rest of it is absolute drivel.
    Crux of 'my' argument? I don't know if you've realised this, but al I've done is point out where your ideas are either pointless, strange or just a bit wrong. If the rest is absolute drivel, its only because what you've been posting for the past couple of days has been, wait for it... drivel.

    For a start you say that I cannot be trusted without regulation and that is what really sets me off and ready to start swinging.
    Why exactly CAN you be trusted to supply things for consumption? hmm? Incidently, really set you off? Start swinging? LOL.

    I could go into a whole list of how regulation is nothing more than treating adults like children,
    Really? Well funnily enough, perhaps adults do need to be treated like children from time to time...

    how regulation removes people from a sense of responsibility,
    Quite the opposite! Without regulation what EXACTLY is to stop somebody from designing, manufacturing and operating a piece of equipment in a dangerous and negligent manner? Hmmmm?

    I'm sure the people which could die from mistakes/decisions which were made by people only concerned with increasing their profit margin, will sleep safe in the knowledge that lack of regulation means that people are apparently not removed from a sense of responsibility!

    how regulation is manipulated by the big industries to wipe out the local producers,
    Oh really? Whilst it would be wrong to suggest that market leaders do not have an affect on regulation, to suggest thats its merely to wipe out 'local producers' is lunacy.

    What exactly do big industries have to worry about 'Local producers'?

    how regulation is destroying small industries,
    How regulation is destroying small industries? Well that quite frankly sucks arse. For example, in the refrigeration industry, if you cant comply to EN 378, then quite rightly businesses should be out of business...

    how regulation is control by the state,
    Stating the bloody obvious there aren't you? Just more waffle it seems.

    but frankly I don't think you have enough of an open mind to hear this. I could give you a whole list of examples of how the absolute criminal industries at the top of the food chain are destroying our lives, destroying our health, and creating an open lunatic asylum but it would be a waste of my time trying to argue this with you.
    I find it funny that at one point you are arguing for a decrease or removal of regulation, and then in the other breath arguing about 'criminal industries', 'destroying our lives', 'destroying our health'. What exactly do you think would happen without regulation?

    You talk about my stockpiling food supporting the system and you are absolutely right, it is supporting the system by buying their 'food' (I use the term lightly because what passes for food these days is really frankinfood). I take no pleasure in stockpiling what passes for food these days but I'm a pragmatist so I would rather my family eat than starve in an emergency (I know I'm a sinner).
    In an 'emergency', one of two things will happen.

    1. The state will provide.
    2. Or people will take your food off you.

    I'm a realist. You are optmistic.

    Finally you give the arguments about swinging from the trees
    Yes. Total freedom, means exactly that. Tell us what advances in human civilisation would have occured with out some form of society, one governed by 'rules' (be that an elected authority, a cheiftans whims etc).

    but I could give you numerous examples of how scientific breakthroughs have been suppressed,
    Please do... usually scientific breakthroughs aren't suppressed (except with regards to GM) but are found to simply not work. Like Cold fusion and the like.

    tied up in patents
    It might come as a bit of a shock to you. But patents don't apply to scientific breakthroughs. Patents apply to an invention. Patents in general, allow the patent seeker exclusive rights to manufacture a specific invention for a fixed period.

    So its a bit hard to tie something up in patents.

    and ridiculed by the nwo because it doesn't suit their agenda,
    Or simply don't work?

    but again you don't have enough of an open mind to hear this and I don't have enough of an interest to waste my time explaining them to you.
    Right, yet ou have enough time to waste to right a breathless monologue?

    I am new to this forumn, if you tell me what details you want I will supply them, as long as I am not giving out personal information.
    Are you a person of your word? If you are then thats all thats required.

    100€ that by the start of 2010 (1/1/2010) 'The oil producing countries', which will be taken to mean the majority of largest suppliers (i.e. those whose supply double digit% and large single digit% of the worlds crude) will have the 'bankers come in 'repossess' a large proportion of their assets (being those owned by the country and not private individuals).

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    Quote Originally Posted by garlandgreen View Post
    They could put it on any media outlet on the world. Al Jazeera? And these journalists have websites. Youtube. MySpace. You name it. No excuses If they've discovered all this why not put it there. They'll be the men of the century. Instead they fall on their swords to protect the establishment they've never missed an opportunity to take a swing at. Please
    It takes an awful long time to go through all the material supplied and analysed by Almanac, Rhonda and others. I have to confess that I approached it from trying to pick holes in every detail, coming up with alternative explanations, only for my smug certainty to be shattered. Indeed I often imposed my own interpreation withou having gone though all the material. For example David Icke has no crediblity, and I can well see why he would be useful to those who do not want us to know the truth.

    Also, I have had regular heated exchanges with people on other conspiracy theories such as Freemasonry, finding it ridiculous that they would assign so much power and influence to an organisaiton that simply cannot control all the variables in an unpredictable world, and being secret societies their activities are impossible to totally verify. This then is the nub of the whole issue, their secretiveness.

    The only solution is to look at what has happened from 1914 onwards. Was it predicted to happen? Yes. Almana has shown taht. Was there a lot of speculaton of such an agenda (NWO) before now, Yes, for decades, Alman has shown that too. has a lot of 'progress' being made in implementing that NWO agenda, Yes, again he has shown this to be the case. has it apparently come to be nearly implemented because of a series of events that whether they be incidental, accidental, by design, or circumstantial evolution, the answer seems to be yes.

    If all other possibilities no longer look reasonable and what we thought improbable or outrageous looks logical, then we are in trouble. Logic tells me Almanac, Rhonda, Lthse, et al are right. You have to go though it all and suspend the urge, be it based on wishful thinking to see flaws in minor details, having other possible alternative answers for specific parts becuase when you look at the whole, you might get the horrifying penny dropping reality that I have. I only bloody wish it wasn't so, those Bstds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor the Bold View Post

    I'm sure the people which could die from mistakes/decisions which were made by people only concerned with increasing their profit margin, will sleep safe in the knowledge that lack of regulation means that people are apparently not removed from a sense of responsibility!

    Oh really? Whilst it would be wrong to suggest that market leaders do not have an affect on regulation, to suggest thats its merely to wipe out 'local producers' is lunacy.

    What exactly do big industries have to worry about 'Local producers'?


    I find it funny that at one point you are arguing for a decrease or removal of regulation, and then in the other breath arguing about 'criminal industries', 'destroying our lives', 'destroying our health'. What exactly do you think would happen without regulation?

    In an 'emergency', one of two things will happen.

    1. The state will provide.
    2. Or people will take your food off you.

    I'm a realist. You are optmistic.


    Are you a person of your word? If you are then thats all thats required.

    100€ that by the start of 2010 (1/1/2010) 'The oil producing countries', which will be taken to mean the majority of largest suppliers (i.e. those whose supply double digit% and large single digit% of the worlds crude) will have the 'bankers come in 'repossess' a large proportion of their assets (being those owned by the country and not private individuals).
    You believe that we need regulation, I don't, it's a subjective opinion.

    The EU's Food Supplements Directive was opposed by a huge number of people in the UK, there was a large campaign against it and they sent over medical experts to oppose the legislation. The basis of their argument was that there would be increased restrictions on the levels of vitamins and minerals in the supplements, that natural supplements would have to be standardised and that the trials required to ensure the safety of the supplements would put small producers out of business. They lost and the EU Directive is now coming into force.

    This legislation was pushed by the drug companies to put these producers out of business and allow them take over the market. The supplements produced by these companies are cheap and nasty and don't work properly. Only about 10% of their minerals are actually absorbed by the body because they are not based on plants, which is how we are supposed to get this nutrition.

    At the same time other toxic substances like Aspartame are allowed into our food, the trials on this weren't properly supervised and the EU working group set up for this had at least one member with a conflict of interest. It's now in drinks and other sugar free products.

    Another example is the low energy lightbulbs which are mostly produced in China. They are supposed to help the environment yet they have to be transported half way around the world. There is also concerns about heavy metals used in the manufacturing and how they are disposed. Our own local lightbulb manufacturer has said they will probably be going out of business next year because of this.

    This is how legislation is used to put small producers and manufacturers out of business and consolidate the market.

    I also believe that it's part of the plan of the nwo to suppress us with toxic chemicals, you obviously don't. Either way this is what's happening.

    I am fine with the terms of the bet and will gladly pay up if I'm wrong.

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    [quote=Lthse;1334287]You believe that we need regulation, I don't, it's a subjective opinion. [quote]

    Stating the obvious there...

    However thats where it ends doesn't it.

    The EU's Food Supplements Directive was opposed by a huge number of people in the UK, there was a large campaign against it and they sent over medical experts to oppose the legislation. The basis of their argument was that there would be increased restrictions on the levels of vitamins and minerals in the supplements, that natural supplements would have to be standardised and that the trials required to ensure the safety of the supplements would put small producers out of business. They lost and the EU Directive is now coming into force.
    And how many small producers are out of business?

    This legislation was pushed by the drug companies to put these producers out of business and allow them take over the market.
    Aren't the 'drug companies' by very definiton are the market leaders with the vast majority of the market share in the first place? How much market share did 'small produers' have incidently?

    The supplements produced by these companies are cheap and nasty and don't work properly. Only about 10% of their minerals are actually absorbed by the body because they are not based on plants, which is how we are supposed to get this nutrition.
    How are minerals based on plants? surely once everything gets to the stomach and things are broken down, whats the difference?

    At the same time other toxic substances like Aspartame are allowed into our food, the trials on this weren't properly supervised and the EU working group set up for this had at least one member with a conflict of interest. It's now in drinks and other sugar free products.
    Aspartame shocker. How toxic is it? You do know that Chocolate is toxic dont you? Eitherway, doesn't regulation help keep out the vast majority of dodgy susbtances and bad practices?

    Another example is the low energy lightbulbs which are mostly produced in China. They are supposed to help the environment yet they have to be transported half way around the world. There is also concerns about heavy metals used in the manufacturing and how they are disposed. Our own local lightbulb manufacturer has said they will probably be going out of business next year because of this.
    Who?

    Incidently, where do the tungsten and other materials come from that your 'local light bulb manufacturer'? hmmmm? Is Tungsten and other materials not heavy metals in light bulb filaments?

    I don't know. Perhaps your 'local light bulb manufacturer' should start making items which use 2.5 times less energy and last four times as long?

    [quote]This €is how legislation is used to put small producers and manufacturers out of business and consolidate the market.[/qupte]

    And having nothing to do with enviromental and Health and safety concerns?

    I also believe that it's part of the plan of the nwo to suppress us with toxic chemicals, you obviously don't. Either way this is what's happening.
    'You believe' yet you say this is 'happening'.

    I am fine with the terms of the bet and will gladly pay up if I'm wrong.
    Cool.

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