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Thread: The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

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    Quoting F Willliam Engdahl:
    Washington US-AID food assistance for Africa in recent months has been linked to willingness of a country to accept US GM crops. US assistance to combat AIDS in Africa has similar strings. GM has clearly become a strategic, geopolitical tool for Washington.
    Makes me think of Bill Gates more than Robert Gates. Bill said in one of his recent TED talks that his full-time job these days is on "vaccines and seeds".
    15 Jan 2001 -- Fine Gael pledged to end fluoridation because of "serious health concerns".

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    Quote Originally Posted by soubresauts View Post
    Quoting F Willliam Engdahl:

    Makes me think of Bill Gates more than Robert Gates. Bill said in one of his recent TED talks that his full-time job these days is on "vaccines and seeds".
    Have you read his book? It's excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almanac View Post
    I already answered this, and admitted where I'd been mistaken:

    The predictions are quoted directly from the political leaders cited. There have been crises aplenty, notably the Israeli invasion of Palestine earlier this year and the serious war crimes committed against its people. Obama himself seriously threatened Iran at the start of his presidency and the US came very close to another so-called pre-emptive attack. Presently the rhetoric is once again being ratcheted up. Within the first couple of weeks Obama also authorised drone strikes against Pakistan killing dozens of civilians. The war there has turned a million people into refugees. In Afghanistan, despite committing to withdrawal, he has increased the number of troops to 100,000. All of this has contributed to his dwindling popularity in the polls. The swine flu outbreak led to the drafting of a martial law bill which was unanimously passed by the Massachusetts Senate in April. It does however appear that the concerns expressed about a coming North American Union may indeed be based on a myth, a myth which actually distracts attention away from the deeply unjust Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreement.

    Why should the thread be deleted? As well as still being an active discussion, it has also become a storing house for information related to the concerns expressed in the title about the activities of largely US-based elite interests. This is actually what the admin team recommends as opposed to a proliferation of threads developing on closely related subjects as has occurred elsewhere.
    Woah! Hold your horses! I never said the thread should be shut down, I asked why it was still going! I am not a thread fascist, if it keeps you happy then it's fine by me. I just thought that the premise of the thread had been shown to have no basis and I wondered why it would continue after that realisation, I didn't suggest that it shouldn't be allowed to continue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Woah! Hold your horses! I never said the thread should be shut down, I asked why it was still going! I am not a thread fascist, if it keeps you happy then it's fine by me. I just thought that the premise of the thread had been shown to have no basis and I wondered why it would continue after that realisation, I didn't suggest that it shouldn't be allowed to continue...
    I didn't suggest that you did. I was quoting a previous reply to someone who did make that suggestion. If by the premise not having a basis you mean that what Joe Biden said would happen didn't happen- then that's true to a degree. It's also true that Obama is trailing in the polls, as Biden predicted that he would, and that he has made some extremely unpopular decisions, as Biden also said he would. The other person quoted was Haass. Whether his predictions have come true or not is a matter of personal interpretation. The concept of a North American Union does seem to be a bit of a myth alright. Nothing to do with keeping me happy either- Rhonda actually kept the thread going though it's more a kind of blog at this stage (with regular readers).
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    for those of you interested in internet privacy ...

    Google is currently working on the biggest database on human beings ever collected in human history - every time you search using google you are adding to this database.

    I have just found out about the new search engine Startpage Search Engine that claims to be the world's most private seach engine. Startpage does not record your IP address or make a record of your searches.

    I'm sold! I have now made Startpage my default homepage/search engine and I urge you to do the same. Let's make it go viral! Break free from the tyranny of google!

    I learned about it here in an interview with Katherine Albrecht author of "Spychips" - she is their official spokeperson which gives it a lot credibility in my eyes.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=triaP3eTKTI"]YouTube- Reality Report Special Interview- Katherine Albrecht[/ame]

    (she talks about Startpage at 9:15)

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    latest movie release from infowars.com

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6VyOlIcRJs"]YouTube- INVISIBLE EMPIRE: THE OFFICIAL TRAILER: Pre-Order Your Copy Today![/ame]

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    Revolution, flashmobs, and brain chips. A grim vision of the future

    Information chips implanted in the brain. Electromagnetic pulse weapons. The middle classes becoming revolutionary, taking on the role of Marx's proletariat. The population of countries in the Middle East increasing by 132%, while Europe's drops as fertility falls. "Flashmobs" - groups rapidly mobilised by criminal gangs or terrorists groups.

    This is the world in 30 years' time envisaged by a Ministry of Defence team responsible for painting a picture of the "future strategic context" likely to face Britain's armed forces. It includes an "analysis of the key risks and shocks". Rear Admiral Chris Parry, head of the MoD's Development, Concepts & Doctrine Centre which drew up the report, describes the assessments as "probability-based, rather than predictive"

    "The middle classes could become a revolutionary class, taking the role envisaged for the proletariat by Marx," says the report. The thesis is based on a growing gap between the middle classes and the super-rich on one hand and an urban under-class threatening social order: "The world's middle classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own class interest". Marxism could also be revived, it says, because of global inequality. An increased trend towards moral relativism and pragmatic values will encourage people to seek the "sanctuary provided by more rigid belief systems, including religious orthodoxy and doctrinaire political ideologies, such as popularism and Marxism".

    Revolution, flashmobs, and brain chips. A grim vision of the future | Science | The Guardian

    Chilling report by the British Ministry of Defence back in 2007 - middle classes rioting - they got that part right.

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    Standardising America: Creating the Consumer Culture

    Advertising helped turn America from "a nation of rural island communities" into "a nation of nationally organized consumers" in the words of E Michael Jones.

    He writes

    The rise of advertising not only reflected the change from America as a nation of rural island communities into a nation of nationally organized consumers, it helped to bring about that change. In 1850 only 10 percent of the bread consumed by the nation was baked in bakeries, and the overwhelming majority of that bread was speciality items which were not considered the stuff of life. By 1930 that percentage had risen to 60 percent... The rise of advertising was tied to the rise of national markets, and the rise of national markets fits in nicely with the desire of the Wilsonian advocates of empire, as expressed by the liberals at the New Republic- Dewey, Lippmann, Croly et al- to abandon the separation of powers and abolish the particularities of local government as envisioned by the founding fathers in favour of a strong president who could embody the General Will.
    Jones illustrates the kind of power generated by the rise of advertising and the creation of nationally recognized brand names with the example of the cigarette (beginning with Lucky Strike). In 1904 cigar production was still thirteen times larger than cigarette production. Yet an aggressive marketing campaign in the wake of WWI - one of the most successful in history- created whole new classes of consumers of cigarettes.

    In the process, traditional America was dissolved.

    The same forces which had promoted the Melting Pot Pageant at the behest of the CPI under George Creel as a way of winning the war now focused their attention on further crippling the same ethnic communities by discrediting their traditions, morals, and religion as unscientific and old-fashioned... In 1920, a headline in Printer's Ink, the trade sheet of the publishing industry, announced that "People Have Become 'Standardized' by Advertising."
    In the succeeding decades, advertisers would discover that sex was the easiest of the passions to manipulate.

    Libido Dominandi Part II, Chapter 13. E Michael Jones
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    The new man: "reactive, suggestible, and impulsive."

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    The rise of advertising was more than just the exploitation of a new psychological technique. That technique was predicated on a world-view which most advertisers shared, and the rise of advertising corresponded to the rise of that view of the world as ultimately normative. In many ways the connection was causal because the rise of advertising meant, above all else, supplanting traditional authority. The traditional criteria according to which one made choices—parents, ethnicity, tradition, religion—had to be supplanted on a massive, pan-cultural scale before mass advertising would work. Advertising was a form of social engineering which required the creation of a new man if it were to be successful. Unlike 19th century man, who was frugal, bound by the traditional constraints of the local community and willing to deny himself certain things in the interest of a greater good, the new man envisioned by advertising was to be, in Pope’s words, "reactive, suggestible, and impulsive."

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial]By about 1920, the institutional arrangements that still characterize American advertising were already set in place. By then, too, an ideology of advertising had appeared. Its exponents portrayed advertising as a force that would reconcile social harmony with personal freedom of choice. Persuasion would replace coercion. The ideals of liberal individualism could be realized in a society dominated by large-scale enterprises. “Reputation monopolies,” otherwise known as brand names, would bring about the abeyance of social tension in a way that was both painless to the consumer and profitable to the controller. It was more humane, as Harold Lasswell had said, than assassination. In 1920 the day had arrived when “the gentleman who awoke to a Big Ben alarm clock, and shaved with a Gillette razor, washed with Ivory Soap, breakfasted on Kellogg’s Corn Flakes, and continued through his daily routines depending on advertised brands (p. 76) was completely within the purview of values acceptable to the new liberalism and the corporate elite.
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    Under Obamacare ...

    You MUST be up-to-date on all vaccinations to get any Health Care

    What Will Be Considered Mandatory

    The Federal Government’s proposed mandatory health insurance will mean mandatory vaccinations/immunizations. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) says that for anyone who refuses to keep up-to-date vaccinations, under the new health reform, you will not be able to obtain any health care you may need until immunizations are current.

    Will Fed.Government's Proposed Mandatory Health Insurance Work?

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