The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

[Almanac]

But as I said, I'm trying to understand what makes people change their mind. What makes people break out of the matrix and change their perspective. I have found two types of people very hard to talk to. First the brainwashed dumbed down man u, big brother, x factor, corrie, desperate housewives people who seem to be totally caught up in the system. Second is the 'educated' people who talk about objectivity and critical thinking but give the same one liner sophistic arguments as everyone else.

This is the frustration that most people go through, trying to communicate thoughts with no language to back them up.

That's very true: there are those who simply do not care enough to investigate and those who think they are intellectually above even considering "such nonsense." I would actually be absolutely delighted if these people could convince me that I'm wrong.

That's a good idea though- doing something similar to what occurred with you, giving such people a DVD like 'Loose Change' while saying, "Listen you're probably smarter than me . This DVD has me worried. Could you please point out where these guys are mistaken." Or else maybe giving them a book such as Perloff's The Shadows of Power (one of the best with first class endorsements from both a governor and a congressman) and ask them would they mind reading it as "It's confused me in some way. "

[Almanac]

A stopped clock is right twice a day. These predictions have been made for years. Provide me with an approximate timeframe for an American insurgency and let's see if it comes to pass. Though I know that some people contrive assertions that they can't be tested on

Hmmm

No they were apparently leaked from an extremely rare closed session of Congress. It's one thing to say the economy is going to collapse. It's another thing to give the month. And now, as predicted, the government's finances are collapsing all over before February.

If you look at the video that Rhonda has posted you'll get an idea how bad things actually are. What was a major contributor to all this? Are the smartest brains in finance really likely to recommend giving out loans that can't possibly be repaid without knowing the consequences? Did Democrats pass legislation facilitating such loans or not?

[garlandgreen]

No they were apparently leaked from an extremely rare closed session of Congress. It's one thing to say the economy is going to collapse. It's another thing to give the month. And now, as predicted, the government's finances are collapsing all over before February.

If you look at the video that Rhonda has posted you'll get an idea how bad things actually are. What was a major contributor to all this? Are the smartest brains in finance really likely to recommend giving out loans that can't possibly be repaid without knowing the consequences? Did Democrats pass legislation facilitating such loans or not?

Six months to doom is a nice round figure thrown out there more frequently than once a month. The issue regarding political parties letting business run amok against the common interest is not new nor does it paricularily need theories of global domination to explain. Okhams Razor anyone?

I mean a unified North American currency called the (dun dun dun) Amero....Nothing about this theory registers here as being a bit off ? Nothing?

[stewiegriffin]

Six months to doom is a nice round figure thrown out there more frequently than once a month. The issue regarding political parties letting business run amok against the common interest is not new nor does it paricularily need theories of global domination to explain. Okhams Razor anyone?

I mean a unified North American currency called the (dun dun dun) Amero....Nothing about this theory registers here as being a bit off ? Nothing?

Who the hell knows ? Oh I forgot , you obviously......

[garlandgreen]

Who the hell knows ? Oh I forgot , you obviously......

Obviously. Mind you I didn't make the claim to knowledge. It is for those who claim a thing to support their assertions.

We can then pass judgements on them based on how well they've performed in that regard

I passed mine

[west'sawake]

I know you didn't have all the arguments but you had the mindset which produced the arguments, same as I did before I learned the painful truth.

When I was told that 911 was an inside job I thought the guy that told me was delusional but looked at the information just to show him what a nutcase he was only to discover how wrong I was. That became an anchor which I could refer to, to see that what the media was saying was a lie. From there I could look at what else was going on in the world from a different perspective and the lies became more blatant and transparent. I now look at the news and current events from a whole different perspective.

I'm only talking about my story because there are millions of others who have a similar story and have gone through the same thing. Living in a world where they no longer accept what the media is saying to them. Constantly evaluating the news and current events, seeing how the agenda is unfolding before their eyes.

But as I said, I'm trying to understand what makes people change their mind. What makes people break out of the matrix and change their perspective. I have found two types of people very hard to talk to. First the brainwashed dumbed down man u, big brother, x factor, corrie, desperate housewives people who seem to be totally caught up in the system. Second is the 'educated' people who talk about objectivity and critical thinking but give the same one liner sophistic arguments as everyone else.

This is the frustration that most people go through, trying to communicate thoughts with no language to back them up.

Lthse,

A poster in a similar thread, further back, put his finger on it, in a humourous way.
'Mummy, help make it all go away' We don't really want to think about it, a kind of denial, a hope that the puppet masters cannot control all the variables.

When you think about it is a perfectly normal reaction, we have to and want to go about our daily lives, compartmentalise this, put it to the back of our minds, yet we have to prepare, we cannot ignore the balance of probability, we owe it to our familes, friends and community. Be assured there are more than a few of us in every town.

I have read most of the threads, watched the youtube bits, and done a bit of my own research, in a limited way, and I can't be an ostrich anymore. I see in many of Almanac's and your opponents arguments I used myself, ridiculing other 'conspiraacy theory pushers' (as I patronisingly referred to them).

The rapidity of events nationally, in the U.S., and globally is frightening, even wrose than 1933 in terms of speed. We can no longer engage in wishful thinking.

In the end though this is really a spiritual battle, and it is the elephant in the room that no one wants to bring into this discussion, perhaps in the interest of retaining credibility among those who seem to abandon reason for madness, as Gandalf said to Sauruman.

[Almanac]

But it wasn't "Six months to doom": they predicted that in six months the economy would collapse, that is in September. This was the first of four predictions. The second was what is currently taking place: the collapse of the government's finances. Given the stationing of troops across America as detailed in my first post (and as various others have posted more details of here) I believe that their third and fourth predictions of major civil unrest and even the imposition of martial law quite likely.

Have a look at [COLOR=#800080]this[/COLOR] and make up your own mind whether or not the amero is in the offing. My contention is that the current circumstances, which will deteriorate further, will be used as the justification. In recent days, the rulers came within a hair's breath, 33 out of 34 states, of succeeding in getting a constitutional convention, with the potential to declare the old constitution null and void.

A Russian analyst, Professor Igor Panarin, has even predicted the collapse and break-up of the US: "the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts." Read the full story: [COLOR=blue]http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm[/COLOR]

We know that the Bildebergers previously planned to break-up Canada but were forced to abandon their plans when they came under intense media scrutiny. The break-up of Canada (or equally America) would obviously end its existence as a sovereign country and hence pave the way for the imposition of the North American Union. Award-winning journalist Daniel Estulin, who helped leak information about the plan to the press, who then verified it through other sources, details the story [COLOR=#0066cc]here. [/COLOR]

Right now parliament has been suspended in Canada until February which means Prime Minister Harper is free from oversight for six weeks. By cutting funding to the opposition Harper knew that the opposition would form a coalition to oust him. In this context he was enabled to call for the closing of parliament. Harper has previously been quoted as saying Canada will be unrecognisable when he's finished with it.

[cHeal]

Thankyou cHeal. Now you have made it clear your world view is indeed irreconcilable with democracy I can dismiss most of your opinions about democracies and the shakey premise you base those opinions on.

I do not attribute good to the Bilderburg group, I don't have to, but see no reason to attribute malice - that I made clear. I precieve a value in people, particularly politicians, being able to discuss topics in detail that promotes understanding before such issues become a source of misinterpretation (like your beliefs about the Bilderburg Group). That I also made clear in my post, but you choose to ignore, or seem in fact not to have read it.

As for your opinions about politicians, this and that should be illegal etc, as you put no credance, and I assume do not participate in mainstream politics, your opinions are without any value what so ever. You are politically persona non grata, by your own choice. Your opinions carry no responsibilty and hence no consequence. how cosy. In short your beliefs are a cop out and any responce you get from me is an indulgance. Enjoy it while it lasts.

What? No, democracy is at the heart of my world view, it's just not representative democracy, with parliaments and governments which has clearly failed as a form of democracy when our elected reps have to meet in secret with other rich powerful people to come up with whats good for us.

The value of Bilderburg meetings is that influential people can meet and discuss serious issues in an informal atmosphere

I'm sorry, but you attributed a value based purely off the belief that what they are doing is in our interests, even though we have no proof of this. I raise concerns about the facility because by its very nature it endangers our democracy, regardless of what is discussed. As others have said you criticise others for attributing malice where there is no proof, but yet you attribute charity, I on the otherhand believe that regardless of its intent, it's an un-democratic institution and we should therefore be cautious.
Would there be value in it, if they were discussing how to kill all the Jews? Or the Palestinians? Or all the Muslims? How to commit genocide in Rwanda? I doubt then you would attribute value to the proceedings, thus, without proof you are taking it for granted that these people are largely charitible.

And you're right I'm not a politician, nor would I ever want to be. Politicians represent the lowest level of human indignity.

[Thac0man]

You'll read that this was published on Tuesday March 25, 2008.

So six months in advance the "conspiracy theorists" were able to predict "the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008": the exact month! We are currently witnessing the "collapse of US federal government finances" which was to occur "by February 2009".

I believe the other prediction are also likely to be fulfilled: "the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse and advance round-ups of 'insurgent U.S. citizens' likely to move against the government."

Now if you had taken the time to actually analyse data, instead of taking second hand information at face value and labelling it as evidance, you would have realised three things.

One: Ron Paul is a Congressman (present at that closed Congressional session) and had been predicting this years economic decline for some time, time and again publically on the floor of the Congress, in fact a decade before it was stated in the article you linked to. The subprime mortage crises was ongoing since 2007, but signelled since 1999. And he was not alone, John McCain also raised the alarm early and a fellow Republican tried to rein in Fannie Mea with legislation years before that, only to be defeated because the quick-fix Fannie Mae mortgage was a Clinton administration idea. It was only news to those who do not live in the real world or were unwilling to countenance the Democrat role in the meltdown.

Two: September was the month when Fannie Mea and Freddie mac, institutions crucial to the US property market, were bailed out to the tune of billions of US tax dollors - an act that would have taken time and much preparation, not something that happened overnight .

The sub-prime crises had been expected for years, September 2008 was the acid test of Pauls much heralded new econimic reality, and so it proved. It was also most likely the planned date to step in and bail out Fannie Mea and Freddie Mac with billions and billions of dollors, a huge undertaking.

Three: The actual economic collapse proper did not start until October, not September.

No secrets and no world goverment conspiracy, just facts that take 15 minutes to look up.

Whats left is mundane politics and a party in power in the US who encouraged policies under the Clinton whitehouse that allowed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to extend cheap loans - inducing the current crises. Republican deregulation my ass. A director of Fannie Mae is one of Obamas chief advisers.

I have argued on this forum, during the October crises, that Democrats, not Republicans were more responsible for the sub-prime crises, and examination of all the evidance bares that out.Now you say you are not a conspiracy theorists, but only because you report other peoples theories rather then formulate your own - that still leaves you in the realm of conspiracy nuttery. If you are interested in the truth, please engage in political analysis and pack in the one-size-fits-all conspiracys.

[Lthse]

Lthse,

A poster in a similar thread, further back, put his finger on it, in a humourous way.
'Mummy, help make it all go away' We don't really want to think about it, a kind of denial, a hope that the puppet masters cannot control all the variables.

When you think about it is a perfectly normal reaction, we have to and want to go about our daily lives, compartmentalise this, put it to the back of our minds, yet we have to prepare, we cannot ignore the balance of probability, we owe it to our familes, friends and community. Be assured there are more than a few of us in every town.

I have read most of the threads, watched the youtube bits, and done a bit of my own research, in a limited way, and I can't be an ostrich anymore. I see in many of Almanac's and your opponents arguments I used myself, ridiculing other 'conspiraacy theory pushers' (as I patronisingly referred to them).

The rapidity of events nationally, in the U.S., and globally is frightening, even wrose than 1933 in terms of speed. We can no longer engage in wishful thinking.

In the end though this is really a spiritual battle, and it is the elephant in the room that no one wants to bring into this discussion, perhaps in the interest of retaining credibility among those who seem to abandon reason for madness, as Gandalf said to Sauruman.

Yeah the events unfolding is really frightening and we are being hit from all angles. I also think that there is such a focus on events in America that we can lose sight of the events unfolding here in our own country. At the moment I am telling people to stock up on food because it looks like there will be a food crisis coming. If the banking system collapses and people can't get money then we are going to see soup kitchens and riots for necessities. There is also a consolidation of the global food production because of gm crops with farmers in the [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av6dx9yNiCA"]third world [/ame]going bankrupt and being taken over by the large producers. There is also a huge land grab happening in third world.

And the move towards energy crops is also causing inflation in food costs

I hope I'm completely wrong about this coming crisis but I am recommending people stock up on canned and dried food in case there is an emergency.