The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

[Thac0man]

Congratulations on showing what a total fool you are, once again you have miserably failed to address a post. I specifically said I could have told you the price of oil would be $50 a barrel a year ago which NO mainstream economist could have predicted. You could have asked me about my 'predictions' for 2009 just to put me on the spot but you have FAILED to do this.

So enjoy your slavery because you fully deserve it!!!

So if you did not speculate in the markets on the price of oil did you at least have a flutter with Paddy Power? I am trying to make a fool of you, you are doing too good a job of that yourself.

Any predictions you have for 2009 are probubly no differant that many other predictions out there, only you put alot more underserved credence in yours.

[Almanac]

I'm just curious Almanac, what changed your mind?

First I might explain just why I rejected conspiracy theories or related concepts. I considered them to be an irrational but understandable response to the complexity of modernity, just like fundamentalism.

I also went along with philosopher Max Scheler when he described the conspiracy mentality as ressentiment- an emotional souring that results in an embedded bitterness which skews the person's value perception and leads him to categorise and attack those who come to represent the negative value. Hitler's hatred of Jews probably formed in this way.

Eric Voeglin also argued that the conspiracy mentality results from an externalisation of the struggle against evil in one's self: evil is externalised and incarnated in "them".

So I was thoroughly inoculated against taking seriously anything that remotely resembled a conspiracy theory.

What forced me to unwillingly accept that there was something actually behind all the wild claims was overwhelming evidence. I read James Perloff's The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline. This provided clear evidence, fact after fact, for the enormous influence of this particular group over American foreign policy, which was not exercised in the interests of Americans but for the benefit of a tiny group of extremely powerful and wealthy individuals, in particular the Rockefellers. It also promoted and lobbied for world government, and held the idea of national sovereignty in contempt. Perloff provided concrete examples of this from its official publication, Foreign Affairs. David Rockefeller was chairman of the CFR for almost two decades.

Hence I was forced to look again at the international counterpart of the CFR, the Bildeberger Group, as well as Rockefeller's other entity, the Trilateral Commission.

[Lthse]

First I might explain just why I rejected conspiracy theories or related concepts. I considered them to be an irrational but understandable response to the complexity of modernity, just like fundamentalism.

I also went along with philosopher Max Scheler when he described the conspiracy mentality as ressentiment- an emotional souring that results in an embedded bitterness which skews the person's value perception and leads him to categorise and attack those who come to represent the negative value. Hitler's hatred of Jews probably formed in this way.

Eric Voeglin also argued that the conspiracy mentality results from an externalisation of the struggle against evil in one's self: evil is externalised and incarnated in "them".

So I was thoroughly inoculated against taking seriously anything that remotely resembled a conspiracy theory.

What forced me to unwillingly accept that there was something actually behind all the wild claims was overwhelming evidence. I read James Perloff's The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline. This provided clear evidence, fact after fact, for the enormous influence of this particular group over American foreign policy, which was not exercised in the interests of Americans but for the benefit of a tiny group of extremely powerful and wealthy individuals, in particular the Rockefellers. It also promoted and lobbied for world government, and held the idea of national sovereignty in contempt. Perloff provided concrete examples of this from its official publication, Foreign Affairs. David Rockefeller was chairman of the CFR for almost two decades.

Hence I was forced to look again at the international counterpart of the CFR, the Bildeberger Group, as well as Rockefeller's other entity, the Trilateral Commission.

Thanks for your reply Almanac, I asked the question to try and understand why people resist the information that is shown to them. I have been trying to spread this information for a few years now and constantly meet ridicule and apathy. You say that this book changed your mind but you also say that you had all the arguments to the nwo previously, I am asking was there something psychologically that made you change your mind?

I am asking because I have been trying to spread this information for years now and constantly meet ridicule and apathy. So I'm trying to understand why people resist this information.

[Almanac]

Thanks for your reply Almanac, I asked the question to try and understand why people resist the information that is shown to them. I have been trying to spread this information for a few years now and constantly meet ridicule and apathy. You say that this book changed your mind but you also say that you had all the arguments to the nwo previously, I am asking was there something psychologically that made you change your mind?

I am asking because I have been trying to spread this information for years now and constantly meet ridicule and apathy. So I'm trying to understand why people resist this information.

I didn't have "all the arguments". I was aware of the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations and the Bildeberger Group but just assumed that they had no real power, that the world was far too big and complex to be influenced in any major way by powerful individuals- and all the usual cliches. Of course if I had reflected on history I might not have been so certain.

One serious problem is that whether by design or whether due to the influence of the kind of genuinely unbalanced individuals, as described by Voeglin and Scheler above, or for some other reasons, an awful amount of disinformation gets mixed up with the real concerns. Icke is the chief example of this but those who speak of Jewish or communist or Illuminati or suchlike conspiracies are equally unhelpful. There is a reason why these themes feature but precision needs to be employed.

All it takes is for someone to open up just a little bit. There is more than enough evidence.

[Thac0man]

You posted this linl Almanac:

What was discussed at a closed session of the U.S. House of Representatives? .

What is it supposed to be proof of?

[Almanac]

The S*H*I*T is HITTING the FAN In AMERICA

YouTube - The S*H*I*T is HITTING the FAN In AMERICA

Do you think this chap is lying, ThacOman?

[Almanac]

Ariz. police say they are prepared as War College warns military must prep for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots

Ariz. police say they are prepared as War College warns military must prep for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots - Phoenix Business Journal:

Anyone take the trouble to read Rhonda's link. Here's an extract:

"A new report by the [COLOR=#000000]U.S. Army War College[/COLOR] talks about the possibility of Pentagon resources and troops being used should the economic crisis lead to civil unrest, such as protests against businesses and government or runs on beleaguered banks.

“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” said the War College report.
The study says economic collapse, terrorism and loss of legal order are among possible domestic shocks that might require military action within the U.S.

International Monetary Fund Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn warned Wednesday of economy-related riots and unrest in various global markets if the financial crisis is not addressed and lower-income households are hurt by credit constraints and rising unemployment.
U.S. Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., both said U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson brought up a worst-case scenario as he pushed for the Wall Street bailout in September. Paulson, former Goldman Sachs CEO, said that might even require a declaration of martial law, the two noted."

I already predicted what would occur with the dollar. In the first post I mentioned coming civil unrest and the possibility of martial law.

[Almanac]

You posted this linl Almanac:

What was discussed at a closed session of the U.S. House of Representatives? .

What is it supposed to be proof of?

You'll read that this was published on Tuesday March 25, 2008.

So six months in advance the "conspiracy theorists" were able to predict "the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008": the exact month! We are currently witnessing the "collapse of US federal government finances" which was to occur "by February 2009".

I believe the other prediction are also likely to be fulfilled: "the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse and advance round-ups of 'insurgent U.S. citizens' likely to move against the government."

[garlandgreen]

A stopped clock is right twice a day. These predictions have been made for years. Provide me with an approximate timeframe for an American insurgency and let's see if it comes to pass. Though I know that some people contrive assertions that they can't be tested on

Hmmm

[Lthse]

I didn't have "all the arguments". I was aware of the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations and the Bildeberger Group but just assumed that they had no real power, that the world was far too big and complex to be influenced in any major way by powerful individuals- and all the usual cliches. Of course if I had reflected on history I might not have been so certain.

One serious problem is that whether by design or whether due to the influence of the kind of genuinely unbalanced individuals, as described by Voeglin and Scheler above, or for some other reasons, an awful amount of disinformation gets mixed up with the real concerns. Icke is the chief example of this but those who speak of Jewish or communist or Illuminati or suchlike conspiracies are equally unhelpful. There is a reason why these themes feature but precision needs to be employed.

All it takes is for someone to open up just a little bit. There is more than enough evidence.

I know you didn't have all the arguments but you had the mindset which produced the arguments, same as I did before I learned the painful truth.

When I was told that 911 was an inside job I thought the guy that told me was delusional but looked at the information just to show him what a nutcase he was only to discover how wrong I was. That became an anchor which I could refer to, to see that what the media was saying was a lie. From there I could look at what else was going on in the world from a different perspective and the lies became more blatant and transparent. I now look at the news and current events from a whole different perspective.

I'm only talking about my story because there are millions of others who have a similar story and have gone through the same thing. Living in a world where they no longer accept what the media is saying to them. Constantly evaluating the news and current events, seeing how the agenda is unfolding before their eyes.

But as I said, I'm trying to understand what makes people change their mind. What makes people break out of the matrix and change their perspective. I have found two types of people very hard to talk to. First the brainwashed dumbed down man u, big brother, x factor, corrie, desperate housewives people who seem to be totally caught up in the system. Second is the 'educated' people who talk about objectivity and critical thinking but give the same one liner sophistic arguments as everyone else.

This is the frustration that most people go through, trying to communicate thoughts with no language to back them up.