Why Don’t British Warmongers Remember The Victims and Not the Perpetrators?

[Parnella]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The British have many days of remembrance etc. for those many naïve children sent by their rulers to expand the Empire and secure their position in the world as a great oppressor. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]In a minority of cases such as WWII, they fought on the just side, albeit reluctantly and only when their interests looked to be threatened. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]However, the vast majority of British soldiers killed overseas where killed in countries where they were the armed oppressive tyrant.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Why, instead of remembering the dealers of death, do they not remember the victims of their wars and those who fought AGAINST oppression, as any civilised society would do? [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Remember the victims not the perpetrators: [/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/dec/27/eu.turkey[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [The Turks haven't learned the British way of denying past atrocities]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]-Number of Iraqis Slaughtered In War and Occupation of Iraq 1,284,105[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-The British caused the deaths of almost 10 million people in India over 10 years beginning in 1857.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-British “foreign policy” and occupation of Ireland was a direct cause of starvation during the “famine”. The halving of our population over the centuries through murder and famine. The British continuing presence in our country an embarassment to our government.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Britain’s own young soldiers are also victims of British foreign policy; they are not heroes but fools.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Millions of slaves who died being transported on British ships[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Millions have died in the mid-East, murdered by the British or as a result of their divisive foreign policy[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-5 million killed in the Crusades with individual massacres of 70,000 Moslems and 30,000 Jews.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Many thousands of British civilians have also died as a response to British foreign policy.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]These are only a fraction of the 100’s of millions of people who have died as a consequence of British military campaigns. Why are they all forgotten?[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]MAY THEY ALL REST IN PEACE.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[Amach na Casca]

And come to terms with their crimes against humanity? 'Your havin a laff' as they might say across the water. Best not to mention the innocents killed by the Glorious Brits, lest they have to come to terms with the moral justness of their actions! Keep the ordinary Joe Soap in the dark has been the policy and will continue to be for some time.

[Big Bobo]

One thing about the great and just British empire in WW2- they went to war to defend their own imperial interests, nothing to do with defending Poland. What did Britain do to help Poland exactly in Sept 1939? They watched while it was over run.

Of course lets not forget that under the British in India, 10s of millions died from famine and disease while Britain expropriated £250,000,000 every year including during the war years.

[Barry]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The British have many days of remembrance etc. for those many naïve children sent by their rulers to expand the Empire and secure their position in the world as a great oppressor. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]In a minority of cases such as WWII, they fought on the just side, albeit reluctantly and only when their interests looked to be threatened. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]However, the vast majority of British soldiers killed overseas where killed in countries where they were the armed oppressive tyrant.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Why, instead of remembering the dealers of death, do they not remember the victims of their wars and those who fought AGAINST oppression, as any civilised society would do? [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Remember the victims not the perpetrators: [/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/dec/27/eu.turkey[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [The Turks haven't learned the British way of denying past atrocities]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]-Number of Iraqis Slaughtered In War and Occupation of Iraq 1,284,105[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-The British caused the deaths of almost 10 million people in India over 10 years beginning in 1857.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-British “foreign policy” and occupation of Ireland was a direct cause of starvation during the “famine”. The halving of our population over the centuries through murder and famine. The British continuing presence in our country an embarassment to our government.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Britain’s own young soldiers are also victims of British foreign policy; they are not heroes but fools.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Millions of slaves who died being transported on British ships[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Millions have died in the mid-East, murdered by the British or as a result of their divisive foreign policy[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-5 million killed in the Crusades with individual massacres of 70,000 Moslems and 30,000 Jews.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Many thousands of British civilians have also died as a response to British foreign policy.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]These are only a fraction of the 100’s of millions of people who have died as a consequence of British military campaigns. Why are they all forgotten?[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]MAY THEY ALL REST IN PEACE.[/FONT][/SIZE]

Its all about making the British state look legitimate.

Propaganda...

[múscailte]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The British have many days of remembrance etc. for those many naïve children sent by their rulers to expand the Empire and secure their position in the world as a great oppressor. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]In a minority of cases such as WWII, they fought on the just side, albeit reluctantly and only when their interests looked to be threatened. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]However, the vast majority of British soldiers killed overseas where killed in countries where they were the armed oppressive tyrant.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Why, instead of remembering the dealers of death, do they not remember the victims of their wars and those who fought AGAINST oppression, as any civilised society would do? [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Remember the victims not the perpetrators: [/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/dec/27/eu.turkey[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [The Turks haven't learned the British way of denying past atrocities]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]-Number of Iraqis Slaughtered In War and Occupation of Iraq 1,284,105[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-The British caused the deaths of almost 10 million people in India over 10 years beginning in 1857.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-British “foreign policy” and occupation of Ireland was a direct cause of starvation during the “famine”. The halving of our population over the centuries through murder and famine. The British continuing presence in our country an embarassment to our government.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Britain’s own young soldiers are also victims of British foreign policy; they are not heroes but fools.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Millions of slaves who died being transported on British ships[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Millions have died in the mid-East, murdered by the British or as a result of their divisive foreign policy[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-5 million killed in the Crusades with individual massacres of 70,000 Moslems and 30,000 Jews.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-Many thousands of British civilians have also died as a response to British foreign policy.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]These are only a fraction of the 100’s of millions of people who have died as a consequence of British military campaigns. Why are they all forgotten?[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]MAY THEY ALL REST IN PEACE.[/FONT][/SIZE]

Good post Parnella. We here in Ireland know only too well how unlikely the British are to act with any decency. How many murderers from the ranks of the British army have been allowed back on active duty after token punishments? Civilian victims to Britain and any other imperialist power are nothing more than potential targets or collateral damage.

[H.R. Haldeman]

However, the vast majority of British soldiers killed overseas where killed in countries where they were the armed oppressive tyrant.

> 885,000 British soldiers died in WWI
> 382,000 British soldiers died in WWII
World War I casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you saying that these 1.3m dead soldiers represent a (significant) minority of all British soldiers killed in overseas conflicts? So I guess you are saying that 2m+ British soldiers died in other overseas conflicts? I find that almost impossible to believe.

And as far as I am aware, just about every country that was once part of the British Empire holds an annual independence day (and perhaps other memorial days) in which they honour the sacrifices of their countrymen in gaining that independence. The innocent dead in those countries are not forgotten.

As for whether the Brits should mark the damage their Empire did, I suppose they could, but for me that would be too politically correct, sentimental and needlessly self-flagellating. Besides, every country honours its war dead, the Brits are no different. It wasn't the grunts fault that they were sometimes waging malevolent campaigns about which they had no say.

[múscailte]

> 885,000 British soldiers died in WWI
> 382,000 British soldiers died in WWII
World War I casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you saying that these 1.3m dead soldiers represent a (significant) minority of all British soldiers killed in overseas conflicts? So I guess you are saying that 2m+ British soldiers died in other overseas conflicts? I find that almost impossible to believe.

And as far as I am aware, just about every country that was once part of the British Empire holds an annual independence day (and perhaps other memorial days) in which they honour the sacrifices of their countrymen in gaining that independence. The innocent dead in those countries are not forgotten.

As for whether the Brits should mark the damage their Empire did, I suppose they could, but for me that would be too politically correct, sentimental and needlessly self-flagellating. Besides, every country honours its war dead, the Brits are no different. It wasn't the grunts fault that they were sometimes waging malevolent campaigns about which they had no say.

But the point is that the Brits are in overdrive in regard to the whole poppy issue. They badly need the funds to supplement their defense budget. If the Brits weren't at war there wouldn't be half as big a push on for the poppy appeal. Money donated facilitates the British occupation of Afghanistan, there's no two ways about it.

[clontarfblue]

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[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]-British “foreign policy” and occupation of Ireland was a direct cause of starvation during the “famine”. The halving of our population over the centuries through murder and famine. The British continuing presence in our country an embarassment to our government.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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And silly me thinking it was potato blight! Oh your are quite the historian.

[múscailte]

And silly me thinking it was potato blight! Oh your are quite the historian.

And you are quite the tw.at. There was more than enough food produced in Ireland to feed the entire populace. The problem was the 10s of thousands of British soldiers garrisoned in Ireland to ensure that all of the foodstuffs were collected and exported to Britain.

[Thranduil]

And silly me thinking it was potato blight! Oh your are quite the historian.

It has been remarked that the British elites escaped revolution (unlike some of their European neighbours) because they expelled, exported or killed their lower orders of people - when those lower orders demanded enough to eat, basic rights etc. It was the quintessentially Cromwellian attitude to property, entitlement and need that ironically ensured the survival of their elites - ie that the lower orders do not matter and you can do whatever you like to them. The so-called famine (so-called because there was no shortage of food in Ireland - which is the actual definition of a famine) was a continuation of this philosophy in action, the only thing that matters is lords, ladies and how much money you have. The country was full of unwanted peasants, killing them or shiping them out was the solution, the potatoe blight was an opportunity. There was even careful media management of the event at the time, the media portrayed the Irish as lazy, rapacious, good for nothing and even used the portly figure of Daniel O'Connell to suggest obesity!

As far as i am concerned those who died were Ireland's true aristocracy if aristocracy is defined by association with ancient lineage and continuation of tradition (and not just how much 'property' you have on your books), their claims to this land stretched back longer than those who did not die (on average) - they were more likely to be from Connaught than elsewhere, living in small villages and towns which spoke Gaelic and continued old traditions, they were the despised under British rule which further crowns their claims since British rule was about population replacement. Their ancestors had been forced into the less fertile Province from other parts of Gaelic Ireland by Cromwell as well as those who had lived there continuously. I see the famine as a kind of selection process, the poorest died, who were the poorest? They were more likely to be the Gaelic speaking Catholic dispossessed - they were more likely to be those with the longest claim of right to live on this island. No wonder The Times of the period spoke enthusiastically of an imminent extinction of the 'Celt' in Ireland.

The British have many days of remembrance etc. for those many naïve children sent by their rulers to expand the Empire and secure their position in the world as a great oppressor.

If the British dead had died of a disease i do not think there would be a day of remembrance however it must be said, it's the war - which favored the pet causes of the elites which is being glorified, not just that war but war itself as a most noble endeavor. The 'cult of the warrior' is always honoured in societies ruled rigidly from the top-down, because at the end of the day soldiers tend to work for those at the top, it was the same in feudal Japan, the same in ancient Greece, Rome, US today, and if i might add - the same in ancient Ireland.