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About LinkBacksYou can't have the State in its current form without warOriginally Posted by Van Damme
You can't have capitalism without war
You can't have the State in its current form without warYou can't have capitalism without war
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Maybe instead you cant' have human nature without war. I dont' see Ireland as a capitalist country going to war with anyone. Why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' think you can impose communism without war either (e.g The Prague Spring 1968, North vs South Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc etc)You can't have capitalism without war
"You can't expect to wield supreme excecutive power 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you"
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The Czechslovakians were closer to real communists than the USSR imposters. For some reason people tend to forget that the Prague Spring was a pro-Communist action.Maybe instead you cant' have human nature without war. Why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' think you can impose communism without war either (e.g The Prague Spring 1968)You can't have capitalism without war
War is not naturally a part of human nature but rather the opposite. The greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places does not represent human nature.
[quote=Van Damme]The Czechslovakians were closer to real communists than the USSR imposters. For some reason people tend to forget that the Prague Spring was a pro-Communist action.Maybe instead you cant' have human nature without war. Why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' think you can impose communism without war either (e.g The Prague Spring 1968)You can't have capitalism without war
War is not naturally a part of human nature but rather the opposite. The greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places does not represent human nature.[/quote:1v15sp0s]
I think war is in some part of human nature but to what % is the question.
So, I'd like to know why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' see Ireland as a capitalist country going to war with anyone.
As you say: 'War is not naturally a part of human nature but rather the opposite. The greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places does not represent human nature.' Could this idea not equally be applied to the greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places within capitalism ?
"You can't expect to wield supreme excecutive power 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you"
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Johnny !You can't have capitalism without war
Will you come down from your bedroom, you missed tea and your father is very annoyed. I've told you time and time again you should be off out with girls instead of cooped up in your room with the internet.
I've read some of your posts, we've told you time & time again you won't be like other boys, not after that crack you got on the head. You're embarrassing everyone here with your poorly thought out, comic book opinions. Your father's and my "capitalist" work put the food on the table for you.
Please, for the love of God come down and have your tea, I've kept it warm - we don't want to have to break the door down again.
To respond to your edit you must realise that Vietnam wanted to be under the rule of Ho Chi Ming and his party. The US even prevented elections in the south because they knew the people would vote in favour of unity under Ho Chi Ming. I personnally would be critical of Ho Chi Ming but would have seen him as being an advancement on french and US imperialism.Maybe instead you cant' have human nature without war. Why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' think you can impose communism without war either (e.g The Prague Spring 1968)You can't have capitalism without war
The Korean situation is more complex. Korea was a Japanese colony before the war and then carved up amongst the allies. When the Maoists tried to unite the country (which had the support of most koreans and would have succeeded without US interference) the capitalists fought back resulting in a bloody international war. If you look at the facts you will see North Korea was actually far more prosperous than the south right up until 1970 or so. Of course North korea is a brutal deformed state and always was but don't think for a second the US puppets down south were any better in the time of the war.
[quote=Van Damme]To respond to your edit you must realise that Vietnam wanted to be under the rule of Ho Chi Ming and his party. The US even prevented elections in the south because they knew the people would vote in favour of unity under Ho Chi Ming. I personnally would be critical of Ho Chi Ming but would have seen him as being an advancement on french and US imperialism.Maybe instead you cant' have human nature without war. Why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' think you can impose communism without war either (e.g The Prague Spring 1968)You can't have capitalism without war
The Korean situation is more complex. Korea was a Japanese colony before the war and then carved up amongst the allies. When the Maoists tried to unite the country (which had the support of most koreans and would have succeeded without US interference) the capitalists fought back resulting in a bloody international war. If you look at the facts you will see North Korea was actually far more prosperous than the south right up until 1970 or so. Of course North korea is a brutal deformed state and always was but don't think for a second the US puppets down south were any better in the time of the war.[/quote:1v5ofktk]
Thats very interesting but I still am curious as to why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? As I said, I dont' see Ireland as a capitalist country going to war with anyone.
As you said earlier: 'War is not naturally a part of human nature but rather the opposite. The greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places does not represent human nature.' Could this idea not equally be applied to the greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places within capitalism as it can be applied for communism ? Is the problem not human nature across all ideologys ?
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I think he beleives that the economic system of capitalism cannot survive/thrive without war (ie the existence of profits of many firms depends on the destruction of property, killing, etc). Arms manufacturers being one example.
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[quote=fionnmccool]To respond to your edit you must realise that Vietnam wanted to be under the rule of Ho Chi Ming and his party. The US even prevented elections in the south because they knew the people would vote in favour of unity under Ho Chi Ming. I personnally would be critical of Ho Chi Ming but would have seen him as being an advancement on french and US imperialism.Maybe instead you cant' have human nature without war. Why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? I dont' think you can impose communism without war either (e.g The Prague Spring 1968)You can't have capitalism without war
The Korean situation is more complex. Korea was a Japanese colony before the war and then carved up amongst the allies. When the Maoists tried to unite the country (which had the support of most koreans and would have succeeded without US interference) the capitalists fought back resulting in a bloody international war. If you look at the facts you will see North Korea was actually far more prosperous than the south right up until 1970 or so. Of course North korea is a brutal deformed state and always was but don't think for a second the US puppets down south were any better in the time of the war.
Thats very interesting but I still am curious as to why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? As I said, I dont' see Ireland as a capitalist country going to war with anyone.
As you said earlier: 'War is not naturally a part of human nature but rather the opposite. The greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places does not represent human nature.' Could this idea not equally be applied to the greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places within capitalism as it can be applied for communism ? Is the problem not human nature across all ideologys ?[/quote:39k3kpbh]
Capitalism is drive by corporations and industrialists desires to increase profit. Wars can be very profitable. Take the Iraq war. The US president and advisors are essentially just reps for the corporations. The war in Iraq has benifited no one except the huge US corporations like Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater etc who co-incidently donate so generously to the capitalist parties. Cheney is the president of Haliburton FFS! Capitalists always need a military to back them up to protect and increase profits, the British empire had it and now the American empire has it. Seizing other countries resources always creates new profitable enterprises for the capitalists.
Ireland is currently at war with Iraq and Afghanistan, when we facilitate the transport of troops to those conflicts we are a party to them.Thats very interesting but I still am curious as to why do you think capitalism and war are interlinked ? As I said, I dont' see Ireland as a capitalist country going to war with anyone.
As you said earlier: 'War is not naturally a part of human nature but rather the opposite. The greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places does not represent human nature.' Could this idea not equally be applied to the greed and ignorance of a few people in powerful places within capitalism as it can be applied for communism ? Is the problem not human nature across all ideologys ?
Also, when someone says the 'greed and ignorance of a few people' they are leaving out the millions in the US who enjoyed the wars when they were going well and support them fully still, they are leaving out the hundreds of thousands of men and women who volunteer for this as a career, it's much broader than that. If anything the anti-war people are the ones going against the grain of human nature in calling for restraint and probity.
Indifference, because i realise that all over the world X number of people have been tortured to death that day, Y number of people starved and so on. I do know that at least those men who died had the consolation of knowing that this is what they signed up for, death comes with the territory and they deal in it as well - it's not a surprise but related to their own personal choice which they made as mature adults, therefore it can't really be a tragedy (except to their familly members), more a logical end to how they lived.What is your reaction?
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